The 600-year-old origins of the word 'hello'

(bbc.com)

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  • istjohn 3 hours ago
    > Greek, meanwhile, uses "Γειά σου" (pronounced "yah-soo") as a typical informal greeting, offering a wish for health rather than a simple salutation.

    Ironically, the root of "salutation" in latin is "salutare," to wish good health.

    > According to linguists, elongated variations such as "heyyy" could be construed as flirtatious, "hellaw" might suggest you're from the southern US, "howdy" from western US, and the clipped "hi" may indicate a curt disposition.

    Surely "howdy" derives from "how do you do?" and not "hello."

  • chromatin 1 hour ago
    > According to linguists, elongated variations such as "heyyy" could be construed as flirtatious, "hellaw" might suggest you're from the southern US,

    I am from the Southern US and I am definitely not familiar with this phonetic form. Could be what a BBC writer _imagines_ a Southerner sounds like

    • hansvm 1 hour ago
      IPA makes these conversations less ambiguous. The point is that parts of the South are more likely to use an "ah" sound rather than an "oh" sound in certain places. The BBC's example (supposing it's in good faith) is lacking because it drops the second half of the dipthong following that morphed vowel.

      Attempting to write out something close to what I'm imagining they're trying to get across in plain English:

      hell-ah-ooh

      It's obviously not universal across the South, but you'll rarely see it outside of the South, so "might suggest you're from..." is probably accurate.

    • aduty 1 hour ago
      Probably. They're not very cultured there.
    • krustyburger 1 hour ago
      It’s for when you’re greeting a cute animal.
  • Daub 4 hours ago
    One advantage of using hello as a greeting is that it is agnostic of social rank. This made it the perfect choice for greeting people of unknown social rank on the phone.

    Having traveled the world quite a bit I can attest to the ubiquity of the word hello… almost everywhere I go it is understood. ‘OK’ has a similar ubiquity, and it is interesting that both words are relatively new additions to the English (universal?) language.

    • bloppe 26 minutes ago
      These are called translingual words. 2 interesting ones are coffee and chocolate. basically no matter where you are in the world, people will understand those (with slight regional differences like "cafe", similar to hello)
  • davidw 29 minutes ago
    Ciao is an interesting one.

    Kind of like you might say 'your humble servant' in English, the Venetians would say "sciavo vostro". Literally "your slave" - schiavo vostro in modern Italian. Which then morphed into "ciao".

    • baxtr 27 minutes ago
      In Bavaria and Austria they say "servus" which literally means slave/servant in Latin.
      • davidw 15 minutes ago
        Yes, when they are not Grüß Gotting.
  • nephihaha 6 hours ago
    It feels as if "hello" is fading out again. It was never completely universal. Where I grew up, people still say "aye aye" (not on a ship btw), along with the usual "good whatever".

    I did once read a Christian complaining about it because it had the word "Hell" in it. A minority opinion of course.

    • HPsquared 4 hours ago
      On the nautical theme, Czechs say "Ahoj" (pronounced "ahoy"). Especially charming because Czechia is landlocked. I have no idea how this came about.
      • selimthegrim 3 hours ago
        I'm still shocked at Malá mořská víla too.
        • vjerancrnjak 59 minutes ago
          If you remove diacritics its completely valid BCS and same meaning.
    • secondcoming 4 hours ago
      I use ‘alright?’ far more than ‘hello’
      • nephihaha 2 hours ago
        Exactly, there's another one. Another common one along with G'day, wassup, how ye doin?, hiya, wotcher, and all kinds of other things?
    • GordonS 5 hours ago
      Scotland?
      • nephihaha 5 hours ago
        Yes. Aye aye, fit like, chiel?
        • GordonS 4 hours ago
          Nae bad, nae bad min!

          So, not just Scotland but North East Scotland? (I'm in the shire myself, previously Aberdeen)

          • technothrasher 3 hours ago
            The first time I was in Scotland (from the US), the folks I was there to visit though it would be amusing to send me down to the pub below their flat to order dinner for us all. Off I went. But after accusing each other of not speaking English, I realized there was no way I was going to be able to communicate with the guy behind the bar. My friends laughed uproariously when I tucked tail and came back unsuccessful.
          • nephihaha 2 hours ago
            I used to live at the other end of Aberdeenshire, right out in the countryside. I never get up there now. Not even Aberdeen although I plan to visit some time. Haven't been in years.
  • detourdog 4 hours ago
    The article should have mentioned the Japanese phone greeting of Moshi Moshi. Which I think means I’m going to speak now. Which I think has a wonderful respect for stillness or quiet.
    • RestartKernel 4 hours ago
      Does it (/ did it originally) actually carry such respect from a Japanese perspective? To me, it seems like a pragmatic solution to cope with bad telephone lines more than anything.
      • detourdog 4 hours ago
        Could be, this was just my impression.
    • greggsy 3 hours ago
      Interesting. In Australia, people often use erhm or aah/aahm as an interjection to announce that they are about to commence speaking.
  • AstroNutt 2 hours ago
    Back in the 80's, I'd call my best friend and when his Dad would answer, he would say, "yello". Is this a North Eastern thing? His family was from Pennsylvania.
    • genter 2 hours ago
      I remember my dad saying "yello" in the 90's, here in Northern California. Pretty sure he just said it because he found it amusing.
    • Trasmatta 1 hour ago
      I've heard people in Utah say this as well
  • chistev 2 hours ago
    What's the origin of "Hello World"?
  • unnamed76ri 5 hours ago
    Interesting read. How we got the word “goodbye” is also a cool story.
  • danans 1 hour ago
    > According to linguists, elongated variations [of hello] such as "heyyy" ...

    Not to be confused with the vocative interjection "Hey" which is likely thousands of years old, at least back to Proto Indo European, but probably earlier.