NanoClaw Moved from Apple Containers to Docker

(twitter.com)

61 points | by simplesort 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • botusaurus 1 hour ago
    > But NanoClaw isn't just my personal project anymore. Thousands of people are using it. People are running production workloads on it. Businesses are building on it. There's a real community now.

    as OpenClaw and now NanoClaw became "enterprise", now we need a new FemtoClaw to pick up the indie/boutique place

    • Someone 32 minutes ago
      Could also make the other part ‘smaller’ and use nail, hoof or dewclaw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewclaw)
    • Tt6000 1 hour ago
      How is this "becoming enterprise"? If anything it now defaults to millions of Linux users being able to access it
    • andai 1 hour ago
    • arcanemachiner 1 hour ago
      Well, there was Picoclaw, but I think it was renamed to Clawlet.
      • imiric 32 minutes ago
        That's old news. Now there's Plancklaw, renamed to ∅. It has no code base, no bugs, no security issues, infinitely scalable, and all the features of every other *claw.
        • guld 7 minutes ago
          Well actually there is ROE.md, no code, just a Markdown file to generate a claw.
  • stavros 1 hour ago
    For my version of the AI assistant, I used a Docker container and Unix permissions:

    https://github.com/skorokithakis/stavrobot

    All plugins run in one Docker container, but they're isolated from each other by different *nix users, so they can't read each other's files. That's much more lightweight, and you don't have to run one container per plugin.

    Crucially, plugins can't read each other's secrets or modify each other's code. I even have a plugin configuration webpage that doesn't go through an LLM, so the LLM never sees your secrets if you don't want to.

  • amelius 1 hour ago
    Putting these NanoClowns inside a container will not protect you from all kinds of safety hazards.
    • andai 1 hour ago
      That's the fun part! You spend all day hardening it... run it in docker in a vm on a separate machine. And then you hook it up to your gmail and give it unrestricted internet access :)
    • arcanemachiner 1 hour ago
      Wearing a seatbelt will not protect you from all kinds of car accidents.
      • amelius 1 hour ago
        Yes. That's why you don't put a Clown behind the steering wheel.
        • weinzierl 35 minutes ago
          It is more like getting in the car with Stuntman Mike. The risk is not that the driver might make a mistake but that it actively turns against you and a container is not a security boundary against an adversary.
        • bdcravens 49 minutes ago
          Tesla Robotaxi says hold my beer
      • InsideOutSanta 1 hour ago
        Wearing a helmet will not protect you from all injuries caused by jumping off a cliff.

        Point is, don't jump off a cliff.

        • troupo 1 hour ago
          The nature of these tools is that you tell them not to jump off a cliff, so they ride the bicycle over it. Or a car. Or "you're completely right. I assumed it was possible to fly". Or...
          • refsys 31 minutes ago
            or you pass by graffiti telling it to jump off a cliff, written in iambic pentameter (or whatever is the jailbreak meta of the month)
  • Xx_crazy420_xX 35 minutes ago
    I can't believe the solution is creating uncompatibile branch and forcing users to use cladue for resolving merge conflits. Why not bake in the dual compatibility?
  • gre 27 minutes ago
    apple container is really buggy with networking
  • ericbuildsio 1 hour ago
    Sensible, this broadens our hosting options.
  • brcmthrowaway 1 hour ago
    Can someone explain the special sauce of the claws compared to just use claude.ai etc
    • lm28469 25 minutes ago
      There is no special sauce, it's mass hysteria driven by fake adoption metrics and people who don't know anything about computers who let "agents" run free on theirs. It's the equivalent of showing a magician cut a women in a box in half to a 5 years old kid... Put them in the same category as the neckbeards getting a hard on every 3 weeks for the past 2 years when they get to see the new version of ThE PeLiCaN On A BiCyCle... I wonder how long the circus will keep on going, at least it's funny to witness from the outside
    • stavros 1 hour ago
      They're "always" running, so they can notify you out of the blue, without you having to initiate a conversation. It's really nice UX to get a message from my assistant saying "hey, it's time to leave for the gym, and don't forget the supermarket bag because you're picking up milk on the way back, as you've run out".
      • netsharc 1 hour ago
        Hmm, Google Gemini has access to my Google Tasks and can set reminders. It's also asked me if I want it to check something at "tomorrow 9am", and when I said yes, it managed to do that.
        • stavros 56 minutes ago
          Yeah, that's kind of like it. Agents just have many many more integrations, so they can do many more things. For example, it knows all my preferences, and can search for flights and say things like "this one is more expensive, but skipping the morning wakeup is worth the $20".
        • caminante 49 minutes ago
          But have you had consistently good experience with Google Gemini and Google apps? Or read the mixed reviews?

          For me, Gemini has been hit or miss and somehow less useful than Assistant was 2+ years ago.

      • dimitri-vs 1 hour ago
        How would it know you've ran out of milk?
        • stavros 1 hour ago
          I told it when I noticed. I made a little pendant with a mic I can speak into and it goes to the bot.
          • imiric 27 minutes ago
            Turns out Humane was ahead of its time.
          • LeafItAlone 1 hour ago
            I would love to hear more about this!
            • stavros 1 hour ago
              I haven't written it up yet but the repo is here:

              It's just a MEMS mic, a battery, and an ESP32, very simple but it works amazingly well. I wrote a companion Android app for it and it works extremely reliably!

      • brcmthrowaway 1 hour ago
        How do people afford this?
        • andoando 46 minutes ago
          Claude max $100 is way more usage than I need. And yeah its not running all the time, just has a heartbeat file telling it how to check something and run
        • stavros 1 hour ago
          A subscription, really. It doesn't actually run all the time, it just has a cron job that makes it feel that way.
    • sailfast 20 minutes ago
      Crons. A local daemon. System access as a user with the ability to listen to changes. Some idea of shared “memory” between sessions. Provider agnostic about AI. Multi-model.
    • gas9S9zw3P9c 21 minutes ago
      It can schedule stuff and run in a loop, so it's like claude combined with cron. Truly amazing technology.
    • dimitri-vs 1 hour ago
      It's for people that don't know how or don't want to be bothered with setting up a messenger integration and a scheduler.
    • boywitharupee 1 hour ago
      they have a watchdog loop, it runs periodically
    • saberience 1 hour ago
      There is no special sauce. They are claude or codex in a loop. The loop is facilitated by basic cron jobs. That's it.

      Ai Agent as it has been for months, plus skills, plus a cron job to prompt it to do things every 20 minutes or 2 hours or however often you want.

  • benatkin 1 hour ago
    So they're making it use OCI images? Cool. Hopefully there will be good support for Podman.
  • john_alan 1 hour ago
    Use containers, Docker is cancer.