Why XML Tags Are So Fundamental to Claude

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57 points | by glth 3 hours ago

9 comments

  • michaelcampbell 15 minutes ago
    Total tangent, but what vagary of HTML (or the Brave Browser, which I'm using here) causes words to be split in very odd places? The "inspect" devtools certainly didn't show anything unusual to me. (Edit: Chrome, MS Edge, and Firefox do the same thing. I also notice they're all links; wonder if that has something to do with it.)

    https://i.imgur.com/HGa0i3m.png

    • fancy_pantser 1 minute ago
      CSS word-break property
    • werdnapk 3 minutes ago
      CSS on the <a> tags:

      word-break: break-all;

  • twoodfin 12 minutes ago
    This isn’t surprising: XML’s core purpose was to simplify SGML for a wider breadth of applications on the web.

    HTML also descended from SGML, and it’s hard to imagine a more deeply grooved structure in these models, given their training data.

    So if you want to annotate text with semantics in a way models will understand…

  • apwheele 30 minutes ago
    I think XML is good to know for prompting (similar to how <think></think> was popular for outputs, you can do that for other sections). But I have had much better experience just writing JSON and using line breaks, colons, etc. to demarcate sections.

    E.g. instead of

        <examples>
          <ex1>
            <input>....</input>
            <output>.....</output>
          </ex1>
          <ex2>....</ex2>
          ...
        </examples>
        <instructions>....</instructions>
        <input>{actual input}</input>
    
    Just doing something like:

        ...instructions...
        input: ....
        output: {..json here}
        ...maybe further instructions...
        input: {actual input}
    
    Use case document processing/extraction (both with Haiku and OpenAI models), the latter example works much better than the XML.

    N of 1 anecdote anyway for one use case.

    • ekjhgkejhgk 17 minutes ago
      Could you clarify, do those tags need to be tags which exist and we need to lear about them and how to use them? Or we can put inside them whatever we want and just by virtue of being tags, Claude understands them in a special way?
      • ezfe 3 minutes ago
        They probably don’t need to be specific values. The model is fine tuned to see the tags as signals and then interprets them
  • TheJoeMan 2 hours ago
    That first image, “Structure Prompts with XML”, just screams AI-written. The bullet lists don’t line up, the numbering starts at (2), random bolding. Why would anyone trust hallucinated documentation for prompting? At least with AI-generated software documentation, the context is the code itself, being regurgitated into bulleted english. But for instructions on using the LLM itself, it seems pretty lazy to not hand-type the preferred usage and human-learned tips.
    • rafram 1 hour ago
      No, it’s two screenshots from Anthropic documentation, stitched together: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt...

      The post even links to that page, although there’s a typo in the link.

      • glth 1 hour ago
        Author here: I have just fixed the typo. Thank you.

        And yes, these are screenshots from Anthropic’s documentation.

      • dmd 1 hour ago
        They're not even stitched together ; there's just no padding between the two images.
    • Calavar 2 hours ago
      It looks like a screenshot from the Claude desktop app, so I don't think the author is trying to disguise the AI origin of the marerial
    • croes 27 minutes ago
      You just hallucinated the content is AI generated.
      • michaelcampbell 12 minutes ago
        "This is AI" is the new "This is 'shopped, I can tell by the pixels."
  • imglorp 1 hour ago
    A very minor porcelain on some of the agent input UX could present this structure for you. Instead of a single chat window, have four: task, context, constraints, output format.

    And while we're at it, instead of wall-of-text, I also feel like outputs could be structured at least into thinking and content, maybe other sections.

  • Zebfross 1 hour ago
    I thought the goal was minimal instruction to let Claude determine the best way to solve the problem. Not adding this to my workflow anytime soon.
    • TheLNL 20 minutes ago
      It is not for the end user, it is more for things like wrappers and automation scripts.

      Nobody expects the end user to prompt the AI using a structured language like xml

  • wolttam 2 hours ago
    Anthropic’s tool calling was exposed as XML tags at the beginning, before they introduced the JSON API. I expect they’re still templating those tool calls into XML before passing to the model’s context
    • pocketarc 1 hour ago
      Yeah like I remember prior to reasoning models, their guidance was to use <think> tags to give models space for reasoning prior to an answer (incidentally, also the reason I didn't quite understand the fuss with reasoning models at first). It's always been XML with Anthropic.
      • wolttam 1 hour ago
        Exactly the same story here. I still use a tool that just asks them to use <think> instead of enabling native reasoning support, which has worked well back to Sonnet 3.0 (their first model with 'native' reasoning support was Sonnet 3.7)
  • esafak 1 hour ago
    This sounds like something for harnesses, not end users. Are they really expecting us to format prompts as XML??
  • nimbus-hn-test 36 minutes ago
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