I’ve got a project right now, separate vector DB, Elasticsearch, graph store, all for an agent system.
When you say Antfly combines all three, what does that actually look like at query time? Can I write one query that does semantic similarity + full-text + graph traversal together, or is it more like three separate indexes that happen to live in the same binary?
Does it ship with a CLI that's actually good? I’m pivoting away from MCP. Like can I pipe stuff in, run queries, manage indexes from the terminal without needing to write a client? That matters more to me than the MCP server honestly.
And re: Termite + single binary, is the idea that I can just run `antfly swarm`, throw docs and images at it, and have a working local RAG setup with no API keys? If so, that might save me a lot of docker-compose work.
Who's actually running this distributed vs. single-node? Curious what the typical user experience looks like.
Exactly the use case I built it for!
I wanted a world where you could build your indexes and the query planner could just be smart enough to use them in a single query. I've not quite nailed down the agentic query planner side 100% (it's getting there), but the JSON query DSL allows you to pipeline, join, fuse all the full-text, semantic, graph, reranking, pruning (score/token pruning) all in one query.
The CLI is my primary development tool with antfly, I am definitely looking for feedback on what people would like to see there, it's a little chonky with the flags --pruner e.g. requires writing the JSON for the config because I didn't want users to have to memorize 1000 subflags. It's definitely a first class citizen.
With respect to "Termite + single binary" that's exactly right, Termite handles chunking, multimodal chunking, embeddings (sparse + dense), reranking, fused chunking/embedding models, and we're excitedly getting more support for a variety of onnx based llms/ner models to help with data extraction use cases (functiongemma/gliner2/etc) so you don't have to setup 10 different services for testing vs deployment.
We run Antfly ourselves for our https://platform.searchaf.com (cheeky search AntFly) Algolia style search product in a distributed setup, and some users run Antfly in single node with large instances (more at the Postgres size datasets with millions of documents vs. large multitenant depoys). But we really wanted to build something with a more seamless experience of going back and forth between a distributed vs single node instance than elasticsearch or postgres can offer.
Hope that helps! Let me know if I can help you with anything!
A quick note, on platform.searchaf.com
The account creation process hits a snag with verify-email links received on email giving a 404. hope it helps.
On a parallel note, It would be nice to put an architecture diagram in the github repo.
Are there particular aspects of the current implementation which you want to actively improve/rearchitect/change?
I agree with the goals set out for the project and can testify that elasticsearch's DX is pretty annoying.
Having said that, distributed indexing with pluggable ingestion/query custom indexes may be a good goal to aim for.
- Finite State Transducers (FST) or Finite state automata based memory efficient indexes for specific data mimetypes
- adding hashing based search semantic search indexes.
And even changing the indexer/reranker implementation would help make things super hackable.
Oh thanks for the 404 on the verify link (I abstracted out the auth OIDC for cross domain login and must have missed a path).
Yes good call, I tried to start that on the website with a react-flows based architectural flow chart a little bit but it's a bit high level, and not consumable directly in github markdown files but I'll work on that!
That's exactly the direction I've been working on, the reranking, embedders and chunkers are all plugable and the schema design (using jsonschema for our "schema-ish" approach allows for fine-grained index backend hints for individual data types etc.) I'll work on getting a good architecture doc up today and tomorrow!
There's some examples in the quickstart on the website but I'll add an explicit e2e example case for that too. Otherwise the tests for that are a little lower level in the code! I'll add the RSF (merging of the two lists) example for that too!! Thanks for the feedback.
I built this for myself because I hated running a large ElasticSearch instance at work and wanted something that would autoscale and something that allowed for reindexing data. I also had a lot of experience running a large BigTable/Elasticsearch custom graph database I thought could be unified into a single database to cut costs. Started adding an embedding index for fun based on some Google papers and now here we are!
I have a variety of blogs that I used too and reference implementations!
It's a Rabit[Q]uantized Hierchical Balanced Clustering algorithm we use for the vector index and we use a chunked segment index for the sparse index if you're curious! Happy to discuss more!
Yes we do use SIMD heavily! https://github.com/ajroetker/go-highway I also added SME support for Darwin for most algorithms. We use it in the full-text index, all over the vector indexes and heavily for the ml inference we do in go especially.
Definitely open to working with you on supporting even better tooling for this as I imagine many different "styles" of migration will be necessary.
The number 1 supported migration path for users though is one of my personal favorite features of antfly which is the linear merge api, which allows you to incrementally reconcile an external pageable datasource with antfly at the pace you want while also getting the benefit of batching! We support index templates just like ES and the ability to change you schema and antfly manages the full-text reindex for you. If you're looking at migrating your embeddings in Elastic or another vectordb we can also support that! Let us know :)
I've seen it on a few products and it doesn't click with me how people are using it.
I’ve got a project right now, separate vector DB, Elasticsearch, graph store, all for an agent system.
When you say Antfly combines all three, what does that actually look like at query time? Can I write one query that does semantic similarity + full-text + graph traversal together, or is it more like three separate indexes that happen to live in the same binary?
Does it ship with a CLI that's actually good? I’m pivoting away from MCP. Like can I pipe stuff in, run queries, manage indexes from the terminal without needing to write a client? That matters more to me than the MCP server honestly.
And re: Termite + single binary, is the idea that I can just run `antfly swarm`, throw docs and images at it, and have a working local RAG setup with no API keys? If so, that might save me a lot of docker-compose work.
Who's actually running this distributed vs. single-node? Curious what the typical user experience looks like.
Exactly the use case I built it for! I wanted a world where you could build your indexes and the query planner could just be smart enough to use them in a single query. I've not quite nailed down the agentic query planner side 100% (it's getting there), but the JSON query DSL allows you to pipeline, join, fuse all the full-text, semantic, graph, reranking, pruning (score/token pruning) all in one query.
The CLI is my primary development tool with antfly, I am definitely looking for feedback on what people would like to see there, it's a little chonky with the flags --pruner e.g. requires writing the JSON for the config because I didn't want users to have to memorize 1000 subflags. It's definitely a first class citizen.
With respect to "Termite + single binary" that's exactly right, Termite handles chunking, multimodal chunking, embeddings (sparse + dense), reranking, fused chunking/embedding models, and we're excitedly getting more support for a variety of onnx based llms/ner models to help with data extraction use cases (functiongemma/gliner2/etc) so you don't have to setup 10 different services for testing vs deployment.
We run Antfly ourselves for our https://platform.searchaf.com (cheeky search AntFly) Algolia style search product in a distributed setup, and some users run Antfly in single node with large instances (more at the Postgres size datasets with millions of documents vs. large multitenant depoys). But we really wanted to build something with a more seamless experience of going back and forth between a distributed vs single node instance than elasticsearch or postgres can offer.
Hope that helps! Let me know if I can help you with anything!
On a parallel note, It would be nice to put an architecture diagram in the github repo. Are there particular aspects of the current implementation which you want to actively improve/rearchitect/change?
I agree with the goals set out for the project and can testify that elasticsearch's DX is pretty annoying. Having said that, distributed indexing with pluggable ingestion/query custom indexes may be a good goal to aim for. - Finite State Transducers (FST) or Finite state automata based memory efficient indexes for specific data mimetypes - adding hashing based search semantic search indexes.
And even changing the indexer/reranker implementation would help make things super hackable.
Yes good call, I tried to start that on the website with a react-flows based architectural flow chart a little bit but it's a bit high level, and not consumable directly in github markdown files but I'll work on that!
That's exactly the direction I've been working on, the reranking, embedders and chunkers are all plugable and the schema design (using jsonschema for our "schema-ish" approach allows for fine-grained index backend hints for individual data types etc.) I'll work on getting a good architecture doc up today and tomorrow!
For fun I am making hybrid search too and would love to see how you merge the two list (semantic and keyword) and rerank the importance score.
Did you build this for yourself?
https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.14452 spfresh, https://arxiv.org/abs/2111.08566 spann, https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.12497 rabitq, https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.06046 diskann,
I have a variety of blogs that I used too and reference implementations!
It's a Rabit[Q]uantized Hierchical Balanced Clustering algorithm we use for the vector index and we use a chunked segment index for the sparse index if you're curious! Happy to discuss more!
The number 1 supported migration path for users though is one of my personal favorite features of antfly which is the linear merge api, which allows you to incrementally reconcile an external pageable datasource with antfly at the pace you want while also getting the benefit of batching! We support index templates just like ES and the ability to change you schema and antfly manages the full-text reindex for you. If you're looking at migrating your embeddings in Elastic or another vectordb we can also support that! Let us know :)