What came after the 486?

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41 points | by jnord 2 days ago

10 comments

  • bentt 1 minute ago
    Cool writeup. I never knew they moved to the name Pentium over 586 simply for trademark ability.
  • stevefan1999 1 day ago
    Ah the pentium, aka 5-ium due to the penta- prefix. It is actually a nod from 4 to 5, but Intel wanted some cool name, and they decided penta + premium would sound cool, hence pentium.

    But still, internally we call it i586, because that's the way it is. so is Pentium MMX which I reckon is called i686.

    • gabrielsroka 1 day ago
      Trademarks

      > The name invoked the number five, but was completely trademarkable, unlike the number 586.

    • laurencerowe 3 hours ago
      i686 was the microarchitecture introduced with the Pentium Pro and then Pentium II.
      • chasil 2 hours ago
        If I am correct, the Pentium Pro was the first "out of order" design. It specialized in 32-bit code, and did not handle 16-bit code very well.

        The original Pentium I believe introduced a second pipeline that required a compiler to optimize for it to achieve maximum performance.

        AMD actually made successful CPUs based on Berkeley RISC, similar to SPARC (they used register windows). The AMD K5 had this RISC CPU at its core. AMD bought NexGen and improved their RISC design for the K6 then Athlon.

        • twoodfin 47 minutes ago
          Because of the branding change, history will remember the Pentium (P5). It was really the Pentium Pro (P6) that put Intel leaps ahead on x86 microarchitecture, a lead they’d hold with only a few minor stumbles for two decades.

          Bob Colwell (mentioned elsewhere ITT) wrote a fascinating technical history of the P6: The Pentium Chronicles.

          • consp 32 minutes ago
            The major stumble being having to cross licence AMD for the x64 opcode design thus ensuring at least two players in the field (and due to how it's going only two).
            • twoodfin 15 minutes ago
              They also started to slip behind AMD in the Pentium 4/NetBurst era, but got their footing back with Core (a more direct descendant of the P6 than the Pentium 4!)

              Around the same time, but I’d classify as separate stumbles.

        • squater 1 hour ago
          Small correction, Pentium Pro was the first OoO microprocessor from Intel. Others like IBM POWER1 came earlier
          • p_l 44 minutes ago
            It was intel's (at least) second OoO processor, after i960 - from which it pulled important team members.
          • chasil 1 hour ago
            Very true, Bob Colwell was hired with past experience in this, I think from "Cyndrome" (edit: Multiflow).

            https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38459128

    • zem 2 hours ago
      I always figured the "-ium" part was in imitation of element naming, to make it sound scientific
      • rob74 2 hours ago
        Por qué no los dos? If "-ium" makes nerds think of an element name, and others of a premium product, all the better. I'd bet both of these interpretations were listed in the original internal marketing presentation of the name...
    • hulitu 1 day ago
      > but Intel wanted some cool name, and they decided penta + premium would sound cool, hence pentium

      some say that they tried to add 486 with 100 and the result had some numbers after the comma, that's why they named it pentium (yes, i know about the FDIV bug)

  • irusensei 31 minutes ago
    Fun fact: Bonnel Atoms (D510 etc) were not affected by the meltdown vulnerability that plagued every Pentium processor since the 1995 Pentiums. These Atoms use purely in-order execution engines which kinda makes them supercharged 486s.
    • gpderetta 0 minutes ago
      Pentium were also in-order. Pentium-Pro (a completely different architecture) was the first OoO intel x86 architecture.
  • specproc 3 hours ago
    I remember writing a cyberpunk story as a kid, in which everyone was rocking badass 786s.
  • ricardo81 45 minutes ago
    Ah. There's a whole generation of people who never enjoyed the Intel inside / Pentium jingle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVafplZCsjU
    • mememememememo 6 minutes ago
      "enjoyed"

      It was annoying as it seemed every computer ad needed to play it, not just intel ads.

  • thisisidiotic 15 hours ago
    Yea I'll take "Things that make me feel old for $1000 Alex."
  • rob74 2 hours ago
    Another interesting episode "after the 486" was the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit, where Intel wanted to bury the ghost of the 8086 once and for all and switched to a completely new architecture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IA-64), while AMD opted to extend the x86 architecture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64). This was probably the first time that customers voted with their feet against Intel in a major way. The Itanium CPUs with the new architecture were quickly rechristened "Itanic" and Intel grudgingly had to switch to AMDs instruction set - that's the reason why the current instruction set still used by all "x86" CPUs is often referred to as AMD-64.
    • phire 1 hour ago
      What I find interesting is that Intel engineers actually designed their own 64-bit extension, somewhere along the same lines as AMD64.

      Intel's marketing department threw a fit, they didn't want the Pentium 4 competing with their flagship Itanium. Bob Colwell was directly ordered to remove the 64-bit functionality.

      Which he kind of did, kind of didn't. The functionally was still there, but fused off when Netburst shipped.

      If it wasn't for AMD beating them to market with AMD64, Intel would have probably eventually allowed their engineers to enable the 64-bit extension. And when it did come time to add AMD64 support to the Pentium 4 (later Prescott and Cedar Mill models) the existing 64-bit support probably made for a good starting point.

      Bob Colwell talks about this (and some of the x86 team vs Itanium team drama) in his quora answer and followup comments: https://www.quora.com/How-was-AMD-able-to-beat-Intel-in-deli...

      • p_l 42 minutes ago
        Around the time of K8 being released, I remember reading official intel roadmaps announced to normal people, and they essentially planned that for at least few more years if not more they will segment into increasingly consumer-only 32bit and IA-64 on the higher end
        • twoodfin 8 minutes ago
          Itanium was bonkers in lots of ways—very cool in others.

          But this market segmentation idea just seems absolutely insane to me in a way I’ve never had anyone satisfactorily explain.

          It requires Intel to voluntarily destroy the commodity economics that put their CPUs on a rocket ship to domination.

          It’s as if they actually bought into the RISC FUD from the 1990’s that x86 was unscalable, exactly when it was taking its biggest leaps.

    • mrweasel 43 minutes ago
      If this is true or not I don't know, but I worked on a project with an HP employee and we were talking about the Itanium. At some point the HP guy goes "You know we more or less designed that thing, right?"

      I would tend to believe that the Itanium is an HP product, given that they've always seems more invested in the platform than Intel.

  • sehugg 2 hours ago
    I had one of those 133 MHz 486 chips, think it was AMD. Nice DOS gaming machine.
  • Anonasty 2 hours ago
    The years when Pentium came was a bit of an shitshow. As the article said, there were 7 companies producing 486 processors but after that the market was mostly Intel, AMD and little Cyrix. Then came socket-A vs. slot-A etc. Now looking back it seems like there was lot of changes in short period of time.
    • rasz 2 hours ago
      Things started progressing so fast in mid nineties that brand new top of the line computer was being matched in performance by low end offerings 2 years later. Lasted up to late 2000.

      December 1998 $85 Celeron 300A handily beating June 97 $594 Pentium 233 MMX, not to mention overclocked one matching 1998 $621-824 Pentium 2s.

      January 2002 $120 Duron 1300/Celeron 1300 beating 2000 $1000 Athlon 1000/Pentium 3 1000-1133

      June 2007 $40 Celeron 420 overclockable out of the box from stock 1.6 to 3.2GHz beat best $1000 CPUs of year 2005 (FX-57, P4 EE).

      Same goes for Graphic chips starting around 1998/9.

      • consp 21 minutes ago
        Fun thing is with a tiny bit of manipulation you can run a P3 tualatin at 1.33ghz via a slot adapter and some pin disablement and some voltage mods (or if you had the right adapter a jumper) in a motherboard which came with a low tier P2 or even earlier. So without replacing your Asus P2B from very early 1998 well up to mid 00s with astonishing performance gains, that motherboard had a massive lifespan in the right hands. Mine is still running with a new voltage regulator to this day.
      • jl6 58 minutes ago
        It's so much fun living through the steep bit of an S curve that we imagine it might last forever...
        • mememememememo 2 minutes ago
          Apple M chips?
        • Ekaros 22 minutes ago
          On other hand not being hopelessly outdated in a relatively short time does have perks. It is cheaper to not have to update constantly and still getting decent performance.
        • canpan 53 minutes ago
          I get the feeling. The 90s in particular, maybe even until crysis went super fast. Then tech felt incredibly stagnant for over a decade.

          But the time since 2020 feels much faster again. It's scary! But it's exciting.

  • guenthert 1 hour ago