How fast is a macOS VM, and how small could it be?

(eclecticlight.co)

52 points | by moosia 2 hours ago

5 comments

  • fouc 54 minutes ago
    >Starting with 4 virtual cores and 8 GB vRAM, where the VM ran perfectly briskly with around 5 GB of memory used, I stepped down to 3 cores and 6 GB, to discover that memory usage fell to 3.9 GB and everything worked well. With just 2 cores and 4 GB of memory only 3.1 GB of that was used, and the VM continued to handle those lightweight tasks normally.

    Good reminder that there's a certain amount of memory tied up with each core (probably mainly page cache and concurrency handling etc).

  • mgaunard 24 minutes ago
    My only experience with VMs on macOS is colima+docker, and it's relatively painful and inefficient (but usable).
    • embedding-shape 10 minutes ago
      Recently got a Mac Mini for local CI purposes (together with Forgejo Actions), took a broad look at the ecosystem and decided to just roll with "build on host" instead. Setting up signing/notarization just looked like an insurmountably task together with isolating it from the host, even with agents. At least the macOS builds are really fast now and the signing/notarization just ~200 lines of Bash...
      • latexr 4 minutes ago
        > the signing/notarization just ~200 lines of Bash

        200 lines?! That’s two orders of magnitude too many. What exactly are you doing that you need so such code for signing and notarisation?

  • nottorp 1 hour ago
    > Starting with 4 virtual cores and 8 GB vRAM, where the VM ran perfectly briskly with around 5 GB of memory used

    But... if you start applications inside your VM it will want the full 8 Gb you've allocated not the 5 Gb it uses at startup?

    • stingraycharles 1 hour ago
      I don’t assume that macOS virtualization is advanced enough to support memory ballooning, or is that not what you’re referring to?

      Edit: I stand corrected!

      • pyth0 57 minutes ago
        I don't assume anything either, but a single Google search is enough to dispel that [1]

        [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/vzv...

      • sgt 47 minutes ago
        macOS is generally pretty amazing at efficient memory usage and VM (virtual memory subsystem) handling. So even a 8GB machine can run pretty impressive workloads without having the user think the machine is underpowered.
      • nottorp 59 minutes ago
        What will that help with if the host and guest combined need > physical ram?
        • jdub 22 minutes ago
          If guest memory can be reclaimed, it doesn't need to be paged to disk once you hit RAM contention. It's mostly saving accounting overhead, but it'll have some effect on latency, which you're more likely to perceive under contention.
  • nasretdinov 38 minutes ago
    Honestly macOS probably can go much lower than that if you turn off some stuff that's not strictly necessary for a VM. The first iPhones only had 128 MiB of RAM and they ran a trimmed down version of macOS Tiger I believe. It's just that RAM has been quite abundant so far, so there was no real reason to try to trim it down, but it's definitely possible, and probably not that hard either, we just need to start trying again :)
  • dieulot 1 hour ago
    I'm wondering if the Xcode simulator (without Xcode running) performs as well, my 2020 Intel MacBook Air has been incapable of running Safari in iOS smoothly for nearly all its life.