On The <dl>

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60 points | by ravenical 1 hour ago

14 comments

  • mockbuild 0 minutes ago
    it's on archive html5 .flac 16-bit 44.1kHz no <dl> flag.
  • captn3m0 41 minutes ago
    > Prior to HTML5, this was called a definition list. This is because the <dl> was originally only intended to represent glossaries of terms and their definitions.

    TIL I’ve been naming it wrong for a decade.

  • simonw 9 minutes ago
    Here's a useful note on how well screen readers support DL: https://adrianroselli.com/2025/01/updated-brief-note-on-desc...
  • Demiurge 9 minutes ago
    I love DL. I think tables, at least in the past, were misused as DLs even more in the past and the inconvenience of the table markup is even worse than a bunch of divs.
  • cloud-oak 29 minutes ago
    The final example of the DnD statt sheet makes me think whether it's legal to nest <dl>s?

    I.e. can we do

        <dl>
          <dt>Actions</dt>
          <dd><dl>...</dl></dd>
        </dl>
  • michalc 20 minutes ago
    The GOV.UK Design System summary list component is a description list https://design-system.service.gov.uk/components/summary-list...

    And... it also uses the wrapper div for styling

  • phyzix5761 47 minutes ago
    I'm curious if the spec actually says you can only wrap it with a div because I like to do semantic html and name my elements specific to my domain.
  • gbeardish 19 minutes ago
    What about multiple '&lt;dt&gt;' for one or more '&lt;dd&gt;'?
  • rickstanley 48 minutes ago
    I've used this a good amount of times, when I coded in front end projects. The first time gave me that satisfying feeling of using the right tool for the job, like completing a puzzle of HTML semantics. I remember JAWS not announcing it correctly in 2018, not sure if it's better now.
    • wizzwizz4 35 minutes ago
      When I checked in 2024 or 2025, Windows Narrator announced it differently in Chrome, Firefox, Edge (Chromium mode) and Edge (IE mode), and none of them worked how I would expect them to. Adrian Roselli's verdict (https://adrianroselli.com/2025/01/updated-brief-note-on-desc...):

      > Description list support continues to be generally good (with VoiceOver still the outlier), even if you may not like how it is supported.

      You shouldn't try to fix this kind of thing by mangling the HTML, since (1) users tend to be used to their screen reader's quirks, and (2) in situations like these, making it juuuust right in one screen reader is likely to make it incomprehensible in another. But it is important to be aware of these quirks, so you don't accidentally design an interface that relies on less-quirky behaviour.

  • turtleyacht 1 hour ago
    Hoped to see CSS for the alternative, where <div> is not nested inside the <dl>. Too used to thinking of div as "layout containers."
  • Telemakhos 49 minutes ago
    I was a bit surprised to see nested <div>s given as some sort of precursor pattern, when <dl> was part of HTML before 2.0 back in the days of table layout.
  • jdw64 27 minutes ago
    blog looks beautiful. I really wish I had this kind of talent for frontend.
  • MattRix 34 minutes ago
    Good title