Chuwi Minibook X: the netbook we deserve

(tylercipriani.com)

50 points | by thcipriani 1 hour ago

12 comments

  • segphault 36 minutes ago
    I bought one of these last year, specifically looking for a modern take on the netbook form factor. I run PopOS on mine and absolutely love the machine. It’s a perfect travel laptop and it has largely replaced the iPad mini that I previously used as my travel companion. I sometimes use it with XReal glasses, which is great. I’ve found that a 35 watt phone charger is sufficient to charge it over USB C, so I don’t even need to carry a laptop-class charging brick.

    I will note that I also had the screen rotation issue described in the post, but it was easy to solve at the desktop environment level in COSMIC. I didn’t bother dealing with it elsewhere because I honestly don’t mind if the grub menu is sideways.

  • fg137 32 minutes ago
    What's the problem with 2K 50Hz screen? Too high resolution?

    Lots of 15.6" Windows laptops come with 1080p screen which is painful to look at.

    • nvme0n1p1 27 minutes ago
      50Hz is a weird refresh rate. Even back to the 80s (and before?) PCs have been 60Hz at a bare minimum.
      • cheschire 21 minutes ago
        50Hz is what European power runs at, as opposed to North American 60Hz. This had some correlation to the analog film frame rates being 25 fps in Europe and nearly 30 fps in America, though I’m not entirely sure what the cause was.

        Nowadays it’s probably a performance / battery saving “feature” attempt.

        • jdub 5 minutes ago
          Nah, not film rates [1], video: NTSC is 30fps and PAL is 25fps because the cathode ray tube scan rate was built around AC power cycles. When low fps truly Hz. Sorry.

          [1] generally 24fps because that is culturally what film looks like and people get very weird whenever anyone tries to fuck with it

    • singpolyma3 25 minutes ago
      Certainly seems too high for that screen size. But probably not fatal
  • alexrp 53 minutes ago
    The Minibook X is obviously targeted at the netbook form factor in the traditional sense, i.e. small and cheap. If you're like me and appreciate the netbook/UMPC form factors (for travel purposes in my case) but also need better specs to actually get any work done -- and you're willing to fork out a bit more to get that -- I would recommend looking at GPD's Pocket and MicroPC series. I own both a Pocket 4 and MicroPC 2 with Linux on them, and I'm quite satisfied. The only issue I've noticed is the same screen rotation quirk described here, for which the same workarounds apply.
    • imran-iq 43 minutes ago
      Hey I also have the pocket 4, the screen rotation issue should be fixed soon (slash already fixed): https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/41036
    • drum55 51 minutes ago
      The GDP devices are amazing except for the keyboard, which is some fever dream layout I've never been able to understand. https://img.website.xin/contents/sitefiles3601/18006016/imag...
      • hug 44 minutes ago
        This is the primary reason the Minibook X won out in my searches: It's the only small device that has a keyboard layout that puts all of the keys in the right spots.

        They're sometimes an odd size, but when I hit the wrong key due to a sizing constraint, I don't even have to think: Backspace, hit the right key with mildly adjusted positioning.

        I've tried a few machines with different layouts, and that's never the case - and having to stop and look at the keyboard to find a key interrupts flow in the worst kind of way.

    • singpolyma3 22 minutes ago
      The specs on this thing look pretty great. Which part do you find insufficient?
  • drum55 56 minutes ago
    I miss my Sony Vaio P series which fitted in a similar sort of niche, the cellphone radio made it just by far the best laptop I've ever used. Modern laptops don't seem to have provision for a LTE/5G radio which always confuses me a bit, in this form factor it would be ideal. I'm surprised nobody has cloned this actually, with phone screens being the right aspect ratio it seems obvious.

    https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/2014/10/03/9f923860-4b47-11e4-b6...

    • Octoth0rpe 17 minutes ago
      we're probably only a year or two out from LTE/5g being an option on Apple laptops, and I can see a bunch of other manufacturers jumping in a year after that to claim parity.

      (Note: My estimate on this is purely based on Apple implementing/expanding the use of their own cell modems, which also includes their wifi chip. It seems logical that they would quickly adopt the same chip for wifi in their laptops, thusly getting LTE/5g 'for free'. Definitely no insider knowledge on this)

      • drum55 7 minutes ago
        There's actually a known prototype MacBook Pro from 2006 with a cellphone radio, and the release MacBook Pros from the time all have a weird looking area near the battery and RAM where the SIM slot was supposed to be, and some leftover parts for the goofy little extendable antenna on the screen. Hopefully they end up doing it.

        https://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/14/photos-of-a-prototype-m...

    • Marsymars 21 minutes ago
      Probably a lot of people who care about this niche just get an iPad. (Which is what I've done - 5G iPad is great for travel - if I need something with a real OS, it waits until I'm home.)
    • nine_k 40 minutes ago
      Modern laptops either have an LTE modem integrated into the general wireless chip, or have a short m.2 slot for a modem card.

      My T14 has even a dedicated slot for a SIM card.

      • drum55 38 minutes ago
        I had a thinkpad at one point that had a slot, but because it wasn't optioned for it you had to patch the BIOS or it wouldn't boot with anything in the slot, it seemed so hostile as to be worthless.
    • jauntywundrkind 43 minutes ago
      I got Vaio P many years after the fact and it was so neat. Alas, the PowerVR gpu Intel included on many of the chips there is quite quite problematic for anything but basic use. Although it just saw more work recently! https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-GMA500-Driver-In-2026

      I think it was a year or two latter I got a Chuwi Lapbook 12.3, which was a great machine. Lovely 3:2 screen off the Surface Pro, again a pretty good Intel small-core set-up, decent ram, ok SSD, all so cheap. Great metal case. Lovely machine, at such a great price. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Chuwi-LapBook-12-3-Celeron-2K-...

      • drum55 40 minutes ago
        I somehow managed to get it working in 2016 with a lot of hackery, I'd still have it as a usable device if the weird little pouch cells it had didn't die, repacking those batteries seemed like enough of a fire hazard I just didn't bother.
  • whartung 40 minutes ago
    Dump the desktop. Switch your login shell to emacs and you have an overpowered WritersBook that’ll fit in a coat pocket.
  • a1o 6 minutes ago
    I love netbooks and I am curious to get one of these at some point - I can’t justify one right now.

    I do have my ASUS EEEPC 701 4G Surf still working. I think it is 18 years old at this point? It is rocking Antix, in its 3.6 GB hard drive. It broke the S key in the keyboard last night and I ordered a replacement.

    I use it as writer deck and to ssh to my server and raspberry pi from the sofa.

    It is built in a very resistant way? Survived my kid so far.

  • kylec 32 minutes ago
    Netbooks aren't dead, they're just called Chromebooks now
    • alterom 24 minutes ago
      Chromebooks aren't netbooks.

      They're Android tablets with non-removable keyboards.

      The idea of a netbook was very small, cheap, portable, full-featured computer that you could use like a normal computer.

      All the ports, your desktop OS, and so on.

      Chromebooks ain't it, even if they compete in the market segment that made netbooks a success.

      • singpolyma3 20 minutes ago
        I run my desktop OS on my Chromebook (boring Debian) and use it like a normal computer. All the ports (HDMI, usb) and so.
        • queenkjuul 17 minutes ago
          Back when Chromebooks and Netbooks were contemporaries, yours was a much harder proposition. I had an awful time getting Linux on my first gen Chromebook
      • ajross 10 minutes ago
        That sounds like an opinion baked in 2013 and never revisited. A modern chromebook with Crostini can run basically any Linux desktop stack you want. Like, what exactly are the tasks you need from a "computer that you could use like a normal computer" that you aren't getting today?

        As a data point: I'm 100% converted personally. A Chromebook is what goes into my backpack and the device I use for all my general day-to-day UI clickery, and it's a better fit for my needs than Windows (not nearly as bad as it used to be but still sort of a PITA to make work as a Linux-focused dev environment) or Linux (not nearly as much of a PITA for a connected consumer network device but still has the occasional wart trying to get something weird to run).

  • fancyfredbot 1 hour ago
    I love small laptops but this thing would really benefit from a better processor. It's about 4x slower than the Snapdragon 8 elite, a 2 year old smartphone chip.

    16GB ram is cool though.

    • necrotic_comp 54 minutes ago
      I think the "net" does a lot of heavy lifting for a box like this - e.g. you do all the important work on a remote server, and only do basic maintenance work on the laptop itself.
    • jauntywundrkind 37 minutes ago
      It'd be so lovely if these phones & systems could run Linux. Man. Such a pity.

      PostmarketOS has a small handful of Snapdragon 870, 865 tablets (~5 year old, Cortex-A77). But it feels like it's by hook & by crook. Meanwhile it feels like bootloaders are just getting more and more locked down, making it less interesting whether mainline Linux support developers or not.

  • ipkstef 18 minutes ago
    where can i pick one up thats reputable?
  • AnonyMD 42 minutes ago
    Are the specifications listed in the article reliable? It's difficult to trust them, considering Chuwi has a history of misrepresenting CPU specifications.
    • makeitdouble 39 minutes ago
      The author's benchmarks are listed in the article.
      • AnonyMD 24 minutes ago
        Excuse me. I trust that.
  • hug 56 minutes ago
    I have this laptop, and it is amongst the best laptops I have ever owned, despite being awful in many ways. It has almost completely replaced my use of my M4 Macbook Pro, simply because I always have it with me. That, and it can run Linux.

    I don't share the complaints of the OP about the keyboard or the screen, though. The keyboard is fine, I can hit about 110WPM on it, slower than my regular pace, but enough that there's no dramas. The layout is great: Occasionally there's keys that are too small (looking at you, apostrophe) but everything is at least in the right spot, which is way more important.

    The 2K display at 10" is high enough DPI that everything is totally crisp, and you can unlock ~95Hz (bad for video, good for everything else) with a bit of a tweak. You can also smash a byte into the EC at the correct offset and access the full unrestricted BIOS -- mostly to crank the RAM up to 4800MT/s.

    I'm running vanilla Arch with Niri and Noctalia, and it's a dream. It's my primary dev machine, used in combination with a remote server with a tonne more grunt. If it broke tomorrow, I'd buy another - and I wouldn't do that with my macbook.

    To the OP:

    * Accelerometer support, EC-byte-bashing to get BIOS unlock: https://github.com/greymouser/minibook-x-tools

    * 95Hz EDID fix: https://github.com/sonnyp/linux-minibook-x/issues/7#issuecom...

    • barbs 47 minutes ago
      Did you also have the screen rotation issue? Curious to know what's causing that.
      • drum55 45 minutes ago
        The cause is just that the panel is mounted rotated on the device. It's supposed to be used in a tablet where the top is the short end and the side is the long end, opposite to a laptop.
      • hug 37 minutes ago
        Yes, I did, and the reason is super straightforward: It's a hardware portrait panel, mounted sideways.

        Getting from zero to a fully working OS was a mild journey, but I'd do it again.

  • milgrum 13 minutes ago
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