U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Bay Model

(en.wikipedia.org)

42 points | by tosh 1 day ago

7 comments

  • LucasLanglois 51 minutes ago
    If you don't know Tom Scott, he has done a great video 4mn vide on the model where you can see it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i70wkxmumAw
  • carderne 4 minutes ago
    John McPhee talks about a similar model for the Mississippi River in “The Control of Nature” Well worth a read. Fun stories about Hawaii and Los Angeles too, iirc.
  • WillAdams 1 hour ago
    It's a shame that there isn't a series of articles on such models --- saw the Chesapeake Bay model (mentioned in a footnote) on a field trip when I was much younger (and it was still in active use for research I believe, yes, as my kids constantly tell me, I'm old).

    Simulation used to be essentially impossible, something one dreamed of, or had to pay for time on a Cray or similar supercomputer/cluster.

    Apparently, the Chesapeake Bay model was built just as that was becoming feasible:

    https://easternshorebrent.com/2017/11/30/doomed-progress-the...

    and has since been dismantled and a business park built on the site.

  • nkrisc 1 hour ago
    The distortion is interesting and something I didn’t realize the model included. I assume that it’s necessary because the effects of surface tension and the viscosity of water (and other effects?) change its behavior at this scale relative to the features of the model?
    • WillAdams 34 minutes ago
      Yes. Another technique was to use alcohol rather than water since it has lower surface tension, but that was only workable for smaller models (which were usually enclosed).
      • nkrisc 32 minutes ago
        I think a model this size full of alcohol would also be quite hazardous for several reasons.
  • redm 1 hour ago
    These are the kinds of interesting engineering challenges that were solved with human ingenuity and grit; I wish we were talking more about them to our youth to inspire imagination about what's possible.
  • contingencies 1 hour ago
    The fellow who lived next door to me told me of a similar model system used to model Sydney Harbour which he worked on in the 1970s. IIRC it was instrumented with electronics and linked to a VAX or similar early machine.
    • emmelaich 4 minutes ago
      The Aus Navy had a computer simulation of Sydney Harbour, dating from the 70s or maybe 80s. One particular feature of the system was a disk drive about 1m in diameter with about 12 heads. Cost a bomb, but I guess it was worth it.

      When I saw a demo, they had an easter egg of a Loch-Ness type monster in it.

      There's also a topographical map of the harbour at St Ives showground but it's purely non-hydrographical. But it's almost disappeared now through neglect.