15 comments

  • geerlingguy 17 minutes ago
    Cutting a live transmission line is incredibly foolish, for many reasons, but I'm guessing the station has a modern(ish) solid state transmitter, which has great foldback protection.

    I've seen (and personally tested) AM transmitters dead shorting, and within less than a second (probably less than 100ms, but I haven't measured precisely) it will fold back on a dead short to like 1% of its operating power, lower if it still detects a short.

    This is to protect the (even more expensive) transmitter from lightning strikes or other weird eventualities (like the line leaking pressurized nitrogen, used to prevent shorts from moisture mainly).

    But replacing that 3" transmission line is not cheap or fast. Usually the runs are planned and designed, and every elbow / connection has losses that are accounted for.

  • aeonik 53 minutes ago
    Working backwards from clues in the article, thief maybe stole 200-400 ft of wire.

    Assuming between 3-1/8″ - 6-1/8″ diameter.

    Somewhere between $1,360 - $6,400 of scrap value. $70k-$100k to repair...

    Absurd.

    • sowbug 43 minutes ago
      That's the usual car stereo theft economics: cause $1,000 of damage to sell a $100 radio for $10.
      • m463 23 minutes ago
        probably $10 of meth to harm a body so that it eventually needs $50k of medical work, or $100k of dental work
        • cevn 5 minutes ago
          10 dollars? Who's your meth guy?
    • xp84 40 minutes ago
      Other than those who commit grave offenses of bodily harm, I reserve my greatest disgust for the type of dirtbag who imposes these orders-of-magnitude greater costs on other innocent people for such a relatively low "reward." They'd burn the Mona Lisa for fuel, melt down the Statue of Liberty for scrap, anything if you let them.

      I agree with another commenter here, the overlap of this mindset with tweakers is large.

      • bandofthehawk 28 minutes ago
        In general I agree with you, but it also makes me wonder how these people got to this point. I think most people would burn the Mona Lisa if it meant surviving through a cold night. Our society has failed these people in many ways.
        • hyperhello 23 minutes ago
          I don’t see how to blame our society for copper thieves.
          • esikich 2 minutes ago
            Right, why didn't everyone just get good education, dental care, and healthcare, get a car when they're 16, have their parents help them go to college and work for a VC and get rich. Just can't understand it. Truly, an enigma.
          • bandofthehawk 18 minutes ago
            Lack of healthcare, limited job opportunities, growing income inequality, are just a few reasons off the top of my head.
            • paleotrope 3 minutes ago
              Drugs. It's usually drugs.
      • mslt 31 minutes ago
        I’d suggest considering empathy once you get past the anger, their former selves would be equally repulsed by their behavior, and for many I expect their current selves feel similarly despite their lack of control. The villains here aren’t the broken people.
        • jdross 28 minutes ago
          The villains are the people who let these people continue to commit crimes and make life worse for others in the name of empathy instead of quickly and forcefully moving them into compassionate care where they have any chance of recovering and joining the vast majority as contributors to society.
        • laughing_man 22 minutes ago
          The villains are those of us who tolerate this kind of behavior in the name of compassion.
    • cucumber3732842 44 minutes ago
      >Somewhere between $1,360 - $6,400 of scrap value

      If it's a "normal" wire specification that someone else can use it was likely sold for ~50% of retail.

      • tonyarkles 23 minutes ago
        It was gas-filled presumably ultra low loss RF cable, but the thief cut it into small sections so that they could take it away. You might be right about the 50% number of they had somehow managed to steal it as a single intact spool. As-is, the station even said that they wouldn’t be able to use it even now that it’s been recovered because of fears of gas leaks.
      • bragr 41 minutes ago
        Thieves typically burn off the insulation so it's not likely to be easily reused.
  • rmason 52 minutes ago
    In Detroit copper theft was an epidemic a few years back. Once the easy stuff in abandoned houses was gone thieves went further afield. .

    A few brave thieves went after power substations. For some thieves a lack of knowledge was fatal.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017...

  • legitronics 1 hour ago
    How is this person alive? That’s a terrifying amount of relatively high frequency energy. And pressurized gasses of some sort.
    • defrost 57 minutes ago
      My first thought also .. possibly pulled a breaker rendering cable inert, or perhaps rigged a remote cutting tool - drop saw poised to cut on a long extension cord ready to be turn on ... (problematic).

      I'm leaning toward killed the current first somehow, but very location detail dependant.

      • cucumber3732842 42 minutes ago
        You can buy high voltage gear online cheap. Just this one job would pay for the complete setup if you're buying cheap brands.
    • CamperBob2 56 minutes ago
      The transmitter will have a VSWR trip for just this sort of eventuality. It would likely be damaged severely if allowed to operate into an open circuit for more than a brief moment.
    • api 36 minutes ago
      Meth induced superhero powers?
  • dylan604 55 minutes ago
    I'm looking for a Kalshi bet that the perp is a tweaker.

    They say it could cost $70,000 - $100,000 to repair, but I also wonder if they'll have to refund ad buys while they are running at 10 watts and such reduced coverage. Makes me also wonder what kind of insurance broadcasters might have for such incidents when they can't broadcast.

    • ben-gy 41 minutes ago
      This feels like force majeur from a contract perspective…
  • grahamburger 1 hour ago
    Oof, that's a bad day. I've had cable stolen from a tower site like that, but it was cable we had spooled out for installation the day before, not in active use.
  • asdefghyk 57 minutes ago
    The photo shows a cable ( with insulation ) that looks at least 4 inches thick ... (from a distance )
  • helterskelter 1 hour ago
    Darwin awards should give this guy an honorable mention.
  • CamperBob2 58 minutes ago
    The alleged perpetrator — Paul Crisp

    Nominative determinism in action.

    • fwipsy 44 minutes ago
      Or subverted in this case, I suppose. Can't have been very crisped if he could flee from the police.
    • arthurcolle 28 minutes ago
      any paulcrisp on HN want to discuss?
  • trick-or-treat 57 minutes ago
    Reads like a super-villain origin story. Welp, I guess he doesn't have to worry about getting the electric chair.
  • AndrewKemendo 1 hour ago
    That’s wild. Radio transmission power is no joke.

    I replaced the 100W FM transmitter on our college radio tower and got in front of the emitter beam for like 10 seconds and my head rung for a week. The amps and power aren’t to be messed with.

    I can’t even imagine messing with 100K line that’s a solid block of copper

    • sidewndr46 15 minutes ago
      You think exposure to 100 watts at ~100 MHz is going to cause your head to ring?
    • asdefghyk 58 minutes ago
      Very lucky not to have been killed by the high voltages or intense RF energy and or suffer severe burns / blindness ....
      • AndrewKemendo 54 minutes ago
        Come to think of it it wasn’t even 10 seconds, more like 2 or 3 before my ears and eyes were burning
        • MBCook 42 minutes ago
          Literally.
  • Vaslo 51 minutes ago
    The trash thief will never be able to replace that. I guess insurance will help but that’s just another excuse for them to raise rates.

    That thief should be indentured until he pays it back in full.

  • CamperBob2 55 minutes ago
    Is it too soon to talk about regulating the $#@* out of scrap-metal dealers?
    • SoftTalker 50 minutes ago
      They already are. You need to show ID to sell scrap metal. The thieves use a fence.
      • gacgacgac 40 minutes ago
        Furthermore, going after scrap metal sites makes an important business harder and fails to be inquisitive enough about the reasons why the thefts happen at all. Maybe we should try to understand why people are stealing copper. (Presumably poverty, drug addiction, lack of opportunity)
        • xp84 36 minutes ago
          If you believe we can just fix poverty and drug addiction with some government program, I have a bridge to sell you. So far, no one has, anywhere in the world.

          Many people (and once they get themselves addicted to something bad, that rises to "most") are just terrible and care only about their own short-term gain. They'd do any amount of destruction to others for some small temporary profit or fix.

          • konmok 14 minutes ago
            The USA opioid epidemic was caused by gross government negligence and corruption. Is it really a stretch to think that a policy solution could have prevented the majority of the harm? And do you really think there wouldn't be enough food and shelter to go around, if the government decided to get serious about poverty relief?
      • BobbyTables2 30 minutes ago
        Wonder if they steal the fence too!
      • CamperBob2 43 minutes ago
        Where does the fence sell the scrap? Somebody is buying it.
        • MBCook 38 minutes ago
          Same as stolen TVs, catalytic converters, and anything else.

          There’s always someone who likes the money/discount more than morals/the law at the next step in the chain. Somewhere.

          • cucumber3732842 25 minutes ago
            >There’s always someone who likes the money/discount more than morals/the law at the next step in the chain. Somewhere.

            That's every scrap yard and most small businesses. Nothing makes you hate the law and it's enforcers, peddlers and proponents like being on the business end of regulations and a scrap yard probably has at least half a dozen agencies they are subject to.

            Heck, I bet half of these guys would aerosolize radioactive waste out of spite if they thought the wind would blow it into a "good school district".

  • mikeweiss 51 minutes ago
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