John Carmack on Fabrice Bellard

(twitter.com)

76 points | by apitman 2 hours ago

8 comments

  • sph 45 minutes ago
    First time I see his picture, and it’s a bit like someone’s revealed the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto when it’s clear they are going out of their way to protect their privacy and stay out of the limelight.

    My impression is the guy had always better things to do to engage with the greater internet, like thinking real hard and solving difficult problems. Much respect to his work, but even more respect to his work ethic. When you have a strong vision, you need the ivory tower style of development rather than spending your days arguing and defending your choices with internet strangers.

    • bitwize 43 minutes ago
      As I say, Bellard is Mozart when most of us can't even hope to be Salieri.
    • shevy-java 25 minutes ago
      I imagined him with wild, long hair; possibly tattoos, huge and heavy set. The picture destroyed my imagination - and now I want my imagination back. :(
  • evilturnip 36 minutes ago
    It's obvious that those that write the tools/infrastructure are less visible than those that create the end product.

    I don't know a single name behind the construction of the AI tensor core in Nvidia's chips but it is effectively what runs all of AI.

    • shevy-java 25 minutes ago
      I think Fabrice is actually quite noticeable. His name kept on coming up again and again in the past. He is definitely not incognito as such, even if he may not be that interest in hyping up his own name either.
    • brcmthrowaway 25 minutes ago
      They can't hear you, they're on a yacht
  • swiftcoder 26 minutes ago
    > A French engineer who lives quietly in Paris has spent 30 years writing software that the entire internet now runs on without knowing his name.

    ... do tech people really not know who Fabrice Bellard is?

    He's kind of a household name in a lot of programming circles

    • konart 1 minute ago
      First time hearing the name too.

      >programming circles

      Well, not all tech people are part of some curcles I guess.

    • edarchis 5 minutes ago
      I'll be honest. I discovered him with this post. And I studied in France. I am also familiar with his projects, the obfuscated C code contest and more. Just don't remember seeing his name.

      I guess that if people aren't loud on social media, people tend to ignore them.

      Respect to those who posted their praise of someone else on social media. We need more of this.

    • _zoltan_ 10 minutes ago
      no, most people wouldn't know. you're in an echo chamber if you think he is well known.
    • theshrike79 15 minutes ago
      I have an explicit rule not to meet or look up my heroes. Been burned way too many times.

      I don't need to know who is building VLC, curl, ffmpeg or any of the other essentials in my life. I just appreciate their work and pitch in some money if possible.

      • bonzini 3 minutes ago
        You'd be fine with Daniel Stenberg. :)
    • pdpi 17 minutes ago
      "Tech people" aren't one single homogeneous mass. His name is unlikely to show up in the same conversation as, say, DHH.
      • defrost 4 minutes ago
        That's understood in the comment which explicitly indicates that there are many programming circles and that Bellard is known in a number of them (but not all).

        eg: I grew up in the Australian Kimberely region (kind of remote), spent decades in geophysical mapping, multi channel data processing, computational algebra, and other odd niches, have no real interest in SV, and am quite familiar with Bellard's work.

        No idea who DHH is though.

      • jdsnape 14 minutes ago
        I knew of Fabrice, and have admired him for many years…but who is DHH?
      • _zoltan_ 8 minutes ago
        DHH is even less known, don't kid yourself.
  • tjpnz 26 minutes ago
    From the tweet he's replying to:

    >A quiet French engineer who never moved to Silicon Valley wrote the code that quietly runs the internet.

    Why do some assume you need to move to SV to make an impact in tech?

  • shevy-java 26 minutes ago
    Fabrice is kind of like a space explorer. He goes where few people went before.

    I think I first noticed this either with regard to JSLinux, or possibly some software he wrote before that; don't fully remember which year. It's like some people go deliberately to more unique problems with regards to software that actually works in achieving that outcome, whatever the outcome may be.

  • asxndu 48 minutes ago
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  • copperx 43 minutes ago
    "He is almost certainly a better overall programmer than I am."

    Hedging the claim with a lot of qualifiers. What's wrong with admitting someone is a better programmer? even giving someone else the benefit of the doubt?

    • sevg 21 minutes ago
      He says that Bellard is a better overall programmer, and for some reason you take this as evidence of a lack of humility?
    • evilturnip 32 minutes ago
      I suspect being a "better programmer" cannot be said unequivocally at their level. At that percentile of achievement, it depends on the specific dimension you are talking about. It's true of the highest skill in any field.
      • fnordpiglet 22 minutes ago
        I more suspect he is not just a better programmer but has a two orders of magnitude smaller ego.
    • KeplerBoy 36 minutes ago
      True, it's a weird thing to say. I am in no position to rank them, I assume they are both excellent at their niches (granted bellard seems to be interested in a lot of niches) but it never hurt anybody to be humble in this position.
      • cloudfudge 0 minutes ago
        I think "he's almost certainly a better programmer than me" is a double form of humility: first, he's assuming that Fabrice Bellard is a better programmer than him based on the evidence and reputation, but he's also admitting that he doesn't have direct knowledge of this. Hence "almost certainly."
      • vkazanov 4 minutes ago
        Well, carmack is THE game dev of 90s and 2000s fame. His 2d/3d engine work was outstanding back in the day.

        Bellard did multiple breakthroughs: ffmpeg, qemu, tcc, jslinux, a state of the art FFT algorithm. I probable skipped a few.

        With all due respect to carmack, a single ballard's projects would put anybody into the eternal hall of programmers fame right next to Linus, Carmack, Stallman, the Bell labs crowd and others.

        i do understand how carmack did what he did logistically (time, effort, skills, compensation)...

        Fabrice is just out of this world. When? How? Why? No idea.

      • saidnooneever 32 minutes ago
        its because carmacl enjoys a lot of fame around his tricks. ppl get like that.