Suspicious Discontinuities

(danluu.com)

82 points | by tosh 3 hours ago

6 comments

  • fwipsy 1 hour ago
    I cracked up when I got to the marathon example. When I ran a half marathon I realized about 80% of the way through that I was on track to finish under 2:30:00 and pushed myself to make it happen. I should have guessed that sort of behavior would show up in the statistics!
    • chantepierre 28 minutes ago
      After this year's Paris marathon, I ran the same per-minute graphs, and they match perfectly the "overall study" graphs with more than 9 million finishes in the article. I also added graphing by age category and gender. I don't want to deduce too much but I think it showed that young men are the most "competitive" (what I mean by that is targeting a specific time) since there are the clearest "goal time" peaks in the graphs.
  • mnahkies 1 hour ago
    The UK tax system also has a bunch of unfortunate cliffs, and tapers that create >60% marginal tax rates and worse. There's a calculator here that illustrates it well https://tax-cliffs.britishprogress.org/calculator

    The childcare cliff edge is probably the worst, but the personal allowance taper isn't ideal either as it's compressed over a relatively short income range

    And of course all the thresholds remain frozen, creating plenty of fiscal drag on top.

  • christianbryant 1 hour ago
    I also appreciate discontinuities and while I won't comment on the data in the paper itself without cross-referencing, I will say that a couple of these examples hold true for me from applied observation over the years. When I was old enough to start caring about insurance for health and property, or became a parent and had to begin forecasting costs for college and what loans really represented, I began looking at observable data much differently. Working in the software industry, you begin to see the complicated systems at work at the C-Level, and the seemingly odd relationships with unrelated organizations start to become clear. Being an educated voter, a discerning consumer of products, and turning a critical eye on world news all require the ability to see processes, their patterns and the discontinuities within them. While there may not always be a useful explanation behind all of them, seeing them in the first place is essential to navigating so-called reality successfully.
  • dvh 1 hour ago
    Would test score problem be solved if teachers graded individual questions, not entire test?
    • irishcoffee 50 minutes ago
      The reddit explanation in the post addresses your question I believe. If someone is at a 28 or 29 a few "charity" points can be found in subjectively-graded tests.
      • dvh 2 minutes ago
        If you grade individual questions, you don't know the total score.
  • PaulDavisThe1st 51 minutes ago
    The opening story is fabricated and/or bullshit.

    Last year (2025) there was no limit on income for health insurance subsidies. That ended for this year, but last year there would have been no reason for anyone who knew what they were doing to try to lose money to drop their income (especially in the cited range of $48-55k/year).

    That is the case this year, in most states (thankfully not where I live), but that's not what TFA is talking about.

    Suspicious? It certainly makes me skeptical that the author has got the details of the other examples correct.

    • norseboar 7 minutes ago
      This might vary state-by-state, CA MediCal for instance did limit the subsidies based on income last year. I don't think it was an all-or-nothing cutoff, but I do think there were points around the 50k mark where the delta between your subsidy and the one for the lower bracket was higher than the loss you'd take by a few thousand dollars.
      • PaulDavisThe1st 3 minutes ago
        The subsidies were from the federal government, managed as part of your federal income tax return. They had nothing to do with additional state subsidies.

        The basic story was that until the end of 2025, nobody in the USA had any reason to pay more than (roughly) 8.3% of their AGI for health insurance.

  • hsuduebc2 1 hour ago
    I never understood why taxes or similiar absolute points aren't gradients instead.
    • marcosdumay 5 minutes ago
      It's very well established internationally that income taxes are defined by gradients. I have no idea why politicians want to reinvent them so often in other kinds of taxes.
    • blharr 28 minutes ago
      I think because the gradient is simply too confusing for laypeople to understand.

      Even for a simple system like US social security that has a gradient. For every $2 you make over the limit, you lose $1 in benefits. I've heard countless times misconceptions of people thinking they'd be losing money (as in literally having less money net) by working.

      • bostik 15 minutes ago
        This does happen in Finnish tax system. Your tax rate (percent with one decimal) is calculated based on your annual gross income. Rates are supposed to be calculated smoothly, and they are certainly calculated for each individual separately.

        In reality they are step functions. It is surprisingly common to have people refuse promotions because if would put them above an income tax threshold, bump up their rate, and end up with less money after taxes in the end.

        The UK tax system is far from fair but at least it has clear brackets: income above threshold X is taxed at rate Y.

    • KylerAce 58 minutes ago
      Because that's harder to write the laws for
      • PaulDavisThe1st 50 minutes ago
        Not if you assume people could understand basic math, such ... oh, any continuously valued polynomial ....