3 comments

  • dlcarrier 7 minutes ago
    Inevitably the internet will have two types of users:

        1. The anti-bot bots that must stop you from proceeding, because they aren't entirely sure you aren't a bot
    
    and

        2. The bots that can get past them, which we all must eventually deploy, if we want a chance to visit a web page
    • ACCount37 5 minutes ago
      Why would anyone ever want to solve 99 Cloudflare captchas a day if you can get a bot to do it instead?
  • aftbit 41 minutes ago
    The internet is for whoever wants to send bits to each other and is willing to pay for transit to do it. The WWW might be for end users, though that seems less obvious by the day.
    • supermaurio2000 13 minutes ago
      what you write is excactly the problem the RFC tries to address. And not only for http but for the whole internet protocol family.
      • reactordev 7 minutes ago
        sorry but that ship has sailed.
  • iso1631 47 minutes ago
    Who's an end user.

    Unless you own your hardware, you aren't the end user. When your phone, tv, camera, or even laptop on a non-free OS is on your network, you can get some semblance of control by controlling what network services it uses.

    Things like DoH are part of the removal of my control as a home user and give it to Sony, or Apple, or TPLink

    The most obvious thing is it becomes harder to block adverts.

    Throw in internet-centralisation through HN darlings like cloudflare and you're screwed. You have no idea what anything is talking to, as it's the same destination IPs, so the choice is either block it completely, or allow it with no control.

    • 1718627440 24 minutes ago
      I do share your actual concern, but I think the term 'end user' applies to any human sitting in front of a computer, trying to achieve something, independently of whether the effective sysadmin works against his interests or not.
    • remix2000 38 minutes ago
      > Who's an end user.

      I think in this context it'd be any netizen who does not hold a significant amount of power to influence other [unrelated to them] netizens?