11 comments

  • yreg 24 minutes ago
    The researchers seem pretty convinced that this mushroom causes the hallucinations yet they do not describe trying it out in an experiment.

    Surely the most straightforward way is to undercook the mushrooms and run a blind controlled experiment where participants eat the shrooms and report on hallucinations.

    What stopped them?

    • forestrywat 20 minutes ago
      Presumably the fact that experimenting on oneself is not considered particularly ethical or repeatable for science?
      • dwattttt 11 minutes ago
        I'm not sure what ethical considerations come up when testing a medical hypothesis by self-administration. Famously Barry Marshall overturned decades of medical doctrine when he ingested helicobacter pylori, and demonstrated its role in gastritis (and I think providing evidence for peptic ulcers).
      • derektank 7 minutes ago
        There’s nothing unethical about self experimentation. There are many notable examples of it in the history of science. Most notable is probably Barry Marshall’s decision to self-dose with helicobacter pylori, in an effort to prove that the bacteria caused ulcers. They did, he treated himself with antibiotics, and he was later awarded a Nobel for the research. Werner Forssman also won a Nobel for work partially derived from self-applying a cardiac catheter.
      • yreg 12 minutes ago
        That's the feeling I got, that they've tried it out on themselves, but (understandably) neglect to mention it. Which is a shame, because the self-censorship isn't helpful in regards of getting to the bottom of this.

        But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

      • leni536 15 minutes ago
        It's probably not ethical. How repeatable it is is for an experiment to decide, if it was possible to arrange ethically.
        • yreg 10 minutes ago
          What's unethical about it? It sounds the locals consume it anyway. If the experiment is blind you can even tell the participants what is it about beforehand without losing too much validity.
    • s1artibartfast 8 minutes ago
      I assume knowlege of the experiment could influence the outcome.

      I think you would have to dose people without knowledge of that phenomenon

  • dash2 30 minutes ago
    > One person told me that while they were eating soup, the little people were jumping off their spoon into the bowl and swimming around. As they scooped a bite, the little people remained in their mouth.

    There’s definitely scope for a horror story here…

  • adzm 7 minutes ago
    Those who have used DMT often talk about machine elves. I imagine there is a part of the brain that specifically recognizes humanoid figures even in the distance that is getting overstimulated.
  • recursivecaveat 9 minutes ago
    I once spoke with a family member who was experiencing hallucinations of little people at the moment. So I guess if you want to experience this at home you can try giving yourself a head wound. Not as active or vivid as described I think though, they just said that the little people were hanging out up in curtains peering at us.
  • undebuggable 38 minutes ago
    Most of weird European and Middle Eastern legends and fairy tales originate from drugs or encountering real artifacts or phenomenons which they couldn't explain. Look up how cyclops appeared in mythology.
    • ghgr 32 minutes ago
      In case you're wondering like me, I think parent is referring to elephant skulls being mistaken for one-eyed, giant creatures.
      • Schlagbohrer 18 minutes ago
        I assume the global mythology around dragons comes from finding dinosaur bones
        • s1artibartfast 5 minutes ago
          Seems like many bones would do. Whales would be a lot more common i imagine.
  • noduerme 23 minutes ago
    I'm surprised they sent it for analysis and no one just ate one to check for hobbits...
  • wglb 5 days ago
  • vsviridov 50 minutes ago
    Half of the plot of Common Side Effects :)
  • LoganDark 45 minutes ago
    I can't wait until this compound is identified and available somewhere (incl. black markets). I would love to try it just out of curiosity.
    • jamiek88 24 minutes ago
      Fortunately, it’s inevitable. :D
  • Schlagbohrer 18 minutes ago
    Awesome
  • andrewstuart 39 minutes ago
    I can imagine the packaging of it being sold commercially