10 comments

  • Gecko4072 38 minutes ago
    How can a middle man for api calls be worth so much? Their market share can’t be very large right? For comparison, $7B is more than market cap of Lyft, Dolby, and Alaska Airlines. What is happening?

    https://stockanalysis.com/list/mid-cap-stocks/

    • minimaxir 29 minutes ago
      I'd suspect it's related to the rise of good/cheap Chinese models, and OpenRouter is the best way to use them without jumping through a ton of hoops.
    • Taikhoom10 17 minutes ago
      Models are commodities, aggregators win, strategy wins - https://s-1.vercel.app/posts/why-openrouter-can-be-the-next-...
    • codybontecou 32 minutes ago
      LLM traces are supposedly very valuable. I imagine OpenRouter has one of the most extensive and diverse set of traces in the world.
    • throwaway473825 29 minutes ago
      Cursor got bought for $60B. This is simply how AI companies are valued.
    • blitzar 34 minutes ago
      If any of those companies put Ai into their pitch they too would be worth billions
  • skeledrew 10 minutes ago
    Historically acquisitions have never really been good for customers. Time for me to look for an OpenRouter alternative? At least they're also as easy to switch from as the model providers they proxy.
  • bushido 23 minutes ago
    This kind of makes a lot of sense. While my first stake was surprise that a proxy is valued at such a high rate, But it really comes down to the terms if open router is allowed by their terms to see the prompts and responses, Then that's very, very valuable data today for any model improvements and other opportunities that people might be looking for.
  • Taikhoom10 21 minutes ago
    Yeah we may look back at this, as Zuck stealing Instagram - https://s-1.vercel.app/posts/why-openrouter-can-be-the-next-...
  • zacharyozer 1 hour ago
    > Earlier this year, Atallah described OpenRouter as the AI equivalent of Stripe.

    Not sure I understand how this is strategically aligned for Stripe but certainly an interesting comparison.

    • closetheloopdev 59 minutes ago
      OpenRouter uses Stripe to handle payments [1], so this acquisition hopefully will reduce OpenRouter's cost while increasing Stripe's revenue.

      [1] https://stripe.com/newsroom/news/openrouter-and-stripe

      • bix6 29 minutes ago
        > Every company in the Forbes AI 50 that monetizes does so on Stripe.

        That’s chilling.

      • toomuchtodo 57 minutes ago
        Stripe seems to appear to be attempting to compete with the US Federal Reserve as the core dollar payment processor while also dipping into the same for tokens. Core value exchange platform, dollars, tokens, whatever. A bit of a less exciting version of Dune. “The transaction volume must flow.”
    • superkuh 58 minutes ago
      Perhaps the US State Dept. used it's strong relationship with Stripe to encourage this purchase as a geopolitical move. They've done so before with companies like eBay and Microsoft to neuter the P2P telephone access network that was "Skype".
      • reilly3000 55 minutes ago
        Yea they love centralized brokers, exchanges, etc.
  • nannal 14 minutes ago
    RIP free deepseek access.
  • muppetman 40 minutes ago
    I still find it hilarious that AI is so bad you need something to sit in front of it to pick models for you. And that's a normal, accepted thing.
    • simonw 33 minutes ago
      That's not a very common pattern, to be honest. A bunch of people have been experimenting with automatic model routing recently but mainly as a cost optimization, since tokens for the best models have got expensive once you start piping millions of tokens through them.

      I haven't seen much evidence that model routing is being widely used yet. I think it's still more of an experimental mechanism right now.

    • bensyverson 33 minutes ago
      OpenRouter is a proxy, not an automatic router. Rather than building API clients for five different AI providers, you build one client to OpenRouter, and switching models become extremely easy. This matters when new models are coming out virtually every day.
      • sajithdilshan 27 minutes ago
        Does that means if by any chance all frontier model companies agrees to use an open protocol for the API open router would go out of business?
        • benced 22 minutes ago
          All the model companies except kind of Anthropic (and even they half-assedly do) implement the OpenAI API. It's not an open standard but, like the S3 API, it effectively is.

          And, to answer your question, no. The existence of a common API makes it trivial to change zero code and send requests to a different model.

        • bensyverson 16 minutes ago
          It's more complicated than that. Lots of providers use an "OpenAI-ish" API, but many of them have subtle differences in things like tool calling or thinking blocks. OpenRouter normalizes the wire format.

          OpenRouter does more than just proxying; they also aggregate providers for open-weight models, which has a stabilizing effect on pricing and gives you protection against a single provider's downtime.

        • notatoad 20 minutes ago
          no. i don't know if openrouter even guarantees consistent protocl across models.

          the value of openrouter is it offers centralized billing. you can route your calls to any provider you want, test a whole bunch of models against each other, and you just get one bill from openrouter. switching to a new model, or a new provider of the same model, doesn't mean setting up a new billing account with a new provider.

    • punkbit 9 minutes ago
      I think that OpenRouter's goal is to have the user pick the model, so there's manual configuration for the user control and cost benefit. Maybe you meant OpenCode Zen? But let's be honest, "AI" is definitely incredible, not "hilarious", or "so bad".
    • throw1234567891 4 minutes ago
      No, you don’t. But most have fomo and use them.
    • fhub 31 minutes ago
      I don’t think it “being bad” is the motivation. It’s about saving money and pooling cheaper resources.
  • code51 27 minutes ago
    OpenRouter should first fix their support.

    No support exists when things go wrong!

  • rvz 51 minutes ago
    This is even before them acquiring PayPal. If Stripe bought PayPal in 2022, it would be immediately blocked. Not this time.

    One of the only near monopolies that is seemingly allowed and it is even praised.

    But who cares. Nothing to see here (as long as AGI is coming it doesn't matter anyway).

  • catlover76 1 hour ago
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