Anger, Anxiety and Agency

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36 points | by lumpa 1 hour ago

12 comments

  • jondlm 0 minutes ago
    Good article! I agree that curiosity is a wonderful place to land.

    However, I think putting anger and curiosity on two levels can be a subtle trap. It can lead to diminishing the importance of anger. They’re all just emotions; just appearances in our minds. We don’t decide when they show up, but we do have the capacity for awareness.

    In my experience I’ve found anger to be an immensely important emotion. It signals to me that something very important needs attention. And when entire populations are angry, that’s a really important signal. Granted, following the first thought that follows the anger tends to be unhelpful (it’s easy to villainize). But the initial signaling of importance should not be underplayed.

  • tptacek 15 minutes ago
    The record scratch for me here was the idea that people can choose to be unsure instead of angry.

    People hate being unsure. Neurochemistry prefers anger to uncertainty. People get angry about being unsure. We feel anger in large part as our brain's natural salve for the discomfort of uncertainty. The suggestion he's making sort of defines away human nature.

    (There's a lot of practical benefit to be gained from understanding this; for instance, skilled consultants put a price tag on certainty; you can sell determinism by itself, separate from any product or service you're more overtly offering.)

  • Aeolun 37 minutes ago
    I think right now I love my job. I can work 5 times faster and explore all the little things that I never had time for. All my side projects suddenly come to fruition!

    But I have never been more anxious. I have a hard time sleeping, I constantly feel the need to keep up or fall behind. It didn’t use to be like this.

  • linuxhansl 23 minutes ago
    I think it's more a mix of anxiety, frustration, and exploration.

    Exploration: Hey there's some cool new tech, let's see what it can do for me, for us.

    Anxiety: What will happen to my craft? Will my skills still be important? Will I have a job in a year? How will I keep up? If we stop or slow hiring junior engineers, what happens when the experienced folks retire?

    Frustration: This could be a time of fun and exploration with these new tools at hand. Instead we are measured by weird metrics (tokens, PR times, etc, etc), some of us are laid off, etc. There are $100bns spent on AI data centers.

    The last one is the closest to anger, but it's not really the same.

    • junon 15 minutes ago
      More on the frustration: this person with no real world experience is hired and all of a sudden sending me six page articles they themselves couldn't fathom writing and they're lauded by founders and celebrated as pioneers of the company. Nobody in that chain could pick out a race condition from a lineup of cat feces. And I'm the "bad guy" for poking holes in all of the Groundbreaking Computer Science being done.

      That's what's frustrating.

      • haxiomic 12 minutes ago
        Exactly this, so often the content is wrong or simply misunderstood and the AI sycophancy is trusted over devs who do know their craft
  • cobolcomesback 0 minutes ago
    The author seems to hand-wave away anger because there isn’t a clear answer to “who” to be angry at or “why” to be angry. Frankly I find this incredulous if not disingenuous.

    The answers are obvious. This wave of AI uncertainty and layoffs didn’t just mystically happen to our industry. It wasn’t an act of God. It’s the management and “leaders” of companies like OpenAI and Microsoft going around selling bullshit, and it’s the management of the other companies that dove head first into this without doing any critical thinking, laid a bunch of people of, and are now struggling to figure out what to do.

    And no, they don’t get a pass just because now some of them “express doubt about AI” too. They should have thought about that before laying tens of thousands of people off. They should have thought about that before investing hundreds of billions into questionable hardware that may or may not be a bubble. They should have thought about that.

    The author is right that we are in a transformative time. And in transformative times, we need strong leaders to step and lead us to success. And yet, have they?

    These are people that are tens of millions, sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars a year, and collectively control the livelihoods of millions of people. Their influence has significant impact on our society and environment. We should expect more of our leaders. I think it’s entirely justified to be angry at them and their complete lack of living up to those expectations.

  • IHLayman 16 minutes ago
    Wait wait wait. I don’t accept this premise: “But anger is different from anxiety because anger needs to be directed somewhere.” Citation needed; where did this come from? I think it is very possible to be angry without a source or obvious target of that anger; IANAP but my 10-minute googles could not find any authority in the field that would claim this statement.

    From the perspective of the article, it seems that not having a target distinction between anxiety and anger would make the two feelings indistinguishable and thus the argument would fall apart. BUT, I do think there is a difference between the rage that comes from anger and the unease that comes from anxiety, and that may be triggered by the uncanny valley feelings from AI or the loss of job security from AI or the feelings of replacement that may come from AI or the environmental concerns that come from AI or the capitalistic underpinnings of the current implementation of AI, the list goes on. Some people may take anxiety from these things, and others may take anger. I don’t see one emotion as being less valid than the other.

    Also, I don’t see any use in saying someone shouldn’t be angry or anxious in a particular situation. You can’t control your emotions like that. You can control how you _react_ to your emotions, but not the emotions themselves. I do think that emotional regulation is important in work (and also in life), but that doesn’t mean that you don’t feel what you feel.

  • Noaidi 22 minutes ago
    Anger and anxiety are normal responses to abnormal and dangerous situations. They should not be changed or ignored, they should be used.

    This is the same game. They tried to play with the mindfulness movement in tech. Ignore your anger and just keep coding. And that’s why everyone is more angry and anxious now.

    • garlic_enjoyer 7 minutes ago
      >But anger is different from anxiety because anger needs to be directed somewhere. The feeling of anger suggests that somebody or something is doing something to you.

      >Who are you going to be angry at and why are you angry in the first place?

      The author is arguing that you should hone in on the underlying reasons behind emotions. It can be easy to conflate anger and anxiety. It's up to your agency to reflect on your emotions and how you act on them.

      You can be angry, but you should name at what and why. Who is propagating the mindfulness movement? How is it affecting you? What can we do differently? Calling out "they" isn't a good answer.

      • 12ags7 1 minute ago
        Get out the E-Meter! This feels like a Scientology audit.

        Tell us what we can do against the mindless slop! DDoS Anthropic?

  • jszymborski 39 minutes ago
    > Who are you going to be angry at and why are you angry in the first place? One narrative that is pretty pervasive is that if AI will usher in productivity gains, those gains are going to benefit companies rather than employees. And well at least someone at Meta wants that.

    > [...]

    > My answer to the question of how you can not be angry in tech is that it’s by no way the most only possible feeling. First of all, instead of being angry, you can simply be unsure. The feeling of uncertainty is a much more productive emotional state because it can lead to curiosity.

    With respect to Armin, whose work I respect a lot, I think that it is totally valid and in fact productive to reserve a degree of anger and hatred for the hyper-capitalists that are going to use AI to further make the lives of the many worse to further entrench the power of a very, very few.

    It is very true that being entirely consumed by anger is bad. At the extremes, it clouds judgment, is bad for your health, and makes you little fun at parties. That said, it's a human emotion and being upset by injustice helps fuel action.

    So insofar as we're called to being uncertain and curious, it should perhaps be uncertainty about our current social/class structure and curiosity about how we might change it for the better. If you have the means and the talent, maybe start a worker owned tech co-op. If that doesn't seem likely maybe start talking about organizing a union. Remember when folks said that if tech workers would you unionize, it would upset the good things folks had with wages? Well if tech workers had unionized earlier on, the precarity and anxiety workers feel today might not have come to pass. If now seems like a bad time to unionize, a future where AI usage is more pervasive and better understood might be much worse.

    • dgellow 9 minutes ago
      > I think that it is totally valid and in fact productive to reserve a degree of anger and hatred for the hyper-capitalists that are going to use AI to further make the lives of the many worse to further entrench the power of a very, very few.

      That’s really the thing. If you understand how badly a few people are accumulating resources and power through the build up of AI, with the very explicit goal to make most people’s life worse, you have to be angry. Its a rational reaction. It doesn’t have to be tamed through an analytical process

  • blfr 43 minutes ago
    Maybe it's AI psychosis speaking but how can you not be excited? You can outsource virtually all electronic drudgery for $100/mo.

    I haven't been this excited about tech since I set up my first home server 20+ years ago. And Claude doesn't sounds like an always-on vacuum cleaner (it was a decommissioned proliant).

    • harimau777 35 minutes ago
      Personally, I don't have any electronic drudgery to outsource. However, I do have to deal with all the ways that AI has made my life worse.
      • mwambua 19 minutes ago
        Agreed! At the moment I have all the tech I really need. I could think up a million interesting side-projects that AI might help come to fruition. However, in reality I have much more banal concerns - like whether I'll still be able to make a decent living using my skills; and whether I'll ever be able to start a family and own a home.

        Perhaps this would be far more exciting if I were younger. But right now I'm just trying to figure out if I can survive.

      • blfr 30 minutes ago
        Really? You don't write dockerfiles, ansible playbooks, never wanted something rewritten into typescript so that it also works client-side, or get stuck in some cloud console?
    • potatoking 29 minutes ago
      We were already getting great for nothing and dealing with that problem to financing custom fit. Now we have mediocre and customized for nothing.

      I find it great for experiments to throw away but I wish everyone remembered step 2 more often.

    • strken 22 minutes ago
      We're redirecting an increasingly large portion of the world's R&D funding into building data centres to run LLMs which can barely speak English ("Good observation - that's the pivot point. I'll land the load bearing backstop.") and which turn what should be 100 lines of code into 4000.

      The end result for me has been that I am now a gatekeeper trying to prevent AI slop making its way into systems which I care about, and failing, and getting dragged into meetings with my boss about how my performance has gone down now that I'm chained to this stupid thing and forced to use it for even the most trivial tasks.

      I haven't been this upset with PayPal mafia overlords since crypto.

      • tptacek 13 minutes ago
        LLMs write samey English that is of significantly higher quality than the median literate native speaker. There's a difference between obnoxious writing and bad writing, and when you claim LLMs can "barely speak English" you've run off the rhetorical cliff of your argument.
    • wry_discontent 14 minutes ago
      What the hell am I supposed to be excited about? Endless slop? Career change from intellectually stimulating creation to bland gatekeeping?

      There is nothing fun about programming anymore. The joy is completely gone. I would switch careers if I could make money elsewhere.

    • bluefirebrand 29 minutes ago
      > Maybe it's AI psychosis speaking but how can you not be excited? You can outsource virtually all electronic drudgery for $100/mo.

      "Electronic drudgery" is how I earn my income which pays for my food and shelter. That's why I'm not excited.

  • bluefirebrand 36 minutes ago
    > Even if you don’t find what’s happening right now exciting, you can at least find it interesting

    I can't get myself to stop finding it terrifying

    When I think about my future I am scared. Not uncertain. Not merely anxious. Definitely not excited. I'm quite frightened.

    In fairness, I think I'm a bit of an outlier. I already felt my place in society was fairly tenuous. I struggle to make friends. I don't feel I fit in very well. I've never managed to stick at one job for more than a few years. The one thing I'm really quite good at is building software and that's let me stay afloat and thrive somewhat

    And that's going to go away. And I'm nowhere near close to retiring.

    So no. I'm probably not going to find a way to let my anger give way to curiosity any time soon. I feel under threat and I am scared for my personal future safety and security.

    Is this my fault for placing too many of my eggs in one basket? Yeah probably. I regret it a lot. If I could go back in time I would have chosen a different profession and branched into software instead of being all software all the time.

    I'm trying to tell myself it's not too late to branch out now, but it's been very difficult

    So.. I dunno. I can appreciate what the article is saying, and I think it's probably accurate and useful for other people who are more secure than I am, but... Eh.

    I guess I just hope people realize that people like me are out there, not just uncertain but AI is shaping up to be the blow that knocks us off the bridge and into the water

    • chasd00 24 minutes ago
      I think a lot of worry/anxiety comes with the desire for stability as we get further into life and career. I remember being in downtown Dallas New Year's Eve 1999 on a headful of LSD praying the lights would go out since Y2K was finally happening. Now, I'm 50 and have a family and still trying to navigate the tech industry like all of us. Societal level mayhem lacks the luster it use to have...
  • 31aH172 33 minutes ago
    Telling the peasants to suppress anger is the primary means of the ruling classes to induce inaction.

    Righteous anger is a healthy and natural response. Those who admonish others to "be curious", to "wait and see", to "be rational" often have an agenda.

    Like this author who is invested in AI.