Verschlimmbesserung: The Word Your Software Updates Need

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68 points | by speckx 5 hours ago

11 comments

  • dwoldrich 2 hours ago
    Value is now only _extracted_. Place the acquired good into the press and smash it until all but the faintest essence remains among the mash. The squeezings are bottled and saved to pay for future _extractions_.

    Companies like Valve can continue largely unshittificated because they are private. Once that is no longer the case, all our game rentals will be squozen away from us.

    • nazgulsenpai 31 minutes ago
      TIL squozen is the past participle of squeeze, but only because I first thought hah this guy is making words up. Foiled again!
    • shaftoe444 15 minutes ago
      > It's stressful having me head squoze
  • devindotcom 16 minutes ago
    >attempted improvement that only makes things worse

    Unless I'm mistaken, Russian has a wonderful idiom for this: "bear job"

    • remuskaos 11 minutes ago
      That actually also exists in German! Bärendienst, although it is not 100% the same as Verschlimmbesserung.
  • alhirzel 2 hours ago
    I would probably abbreviate that to v17g.
  • eqvinox 1 hour ago
    It's actually a verb, "Verschlimmbesserung" is the substantivization.

    Base: verschlimmbessern

    Present conjugation: I verschlimmbesser[e], you verschlimmbesserst, he/she/it verschlimmbessert, we verschlimmbesser[e]n, (plural-)you verschlimmbessert, they verschlimmbesser[e]n

    Past/perfect: verschlimmbessert (e.g. "it got verschlimmbessert")

    Imperative: verschlimmbesser[e] (e.g. "don't verschlimmbesser that!")

    The [e] at the end is leftover from an older form, in the cases where I omitted it it would sound archaic to a German speaker, but in the other cases it's equivalent or may even sound better. It's also regionally different. The archaic versions kinda sound south German (Swabian, Bavarian).

    [ed. made some adjustments]

    P.S.: "Verbesserung" means improvement, "Verschlimmerung" means worsening/aggravation. The combined word is understood quite specifically though, not just as a combination of the two. It's *not* a normal case of German "paste words together", that's for nouns (you can do it with the substantivization, e.g. Donaudampfschiffverschlimmbesserungskapitän = "captain of verschlimmbessern the steam ships on the Donau", which makes little sense of course). It's not identical to enshittification either, the latter (to me at least) implies intention; verschlimmbessern you can (and probably often will) do by accident.

    • schoen 1 hour ago
      Cases apply only to nouns; the present and past perfect are called tenses.
      • eqvinox 1 hour ago
        (already edited in)
  • arjan_sch 1 hour ago
    What about "worseprovement"
    • qznc 21 minutes ago
    • eqvinox 1 hour ago
      As a German, I might not have thought of that but would absolutely use it to translate Verschlimmbesserung. Does it sound "normal" enough to native English speakers?
      • clbrmbr 52 minutes ago
        It's totally plausible portmanteau. I get the feeling thought that it sounds more marked in English than in German where these kind of mashups are formed more freely.
      • inanutshellus 1 hour ago
        It's definitely a normal-sounding, memorable word for us native English speakers.

        Meanwhile I won't be able to remember that German word longer than it takes me to close this tab. Vershumthingsomething.

      • groestl 1 hour ago
        Thumbs up, let's settle on that translation
      • arjan_sch 1 hour ago
        I'm Dutch, sounds pretty good to me
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  • OptionOfT 1 hour ago
    I usually relate this to people chasing good reviews at work. Maintaining a system and keeping it bug-free doesn't get people promoted.

    Doing something large, inventing a bunch of metrics, and showing that you improve on those metrics does.

  • boxed 3 hours ago
    We already have a word for it? "Misfeature"

    The opposite is the more interesting word though: hit bug. A bug/mistake/fuckup that turns out to improve the software.

    • dylan604 2 hours ago
      They're not bugs, they're undocumented features
    • looperhacks 1 hour ago
      A misfeature is specifically a feature that's just bad, while verschlimmbessern can happen with everything that nobody would call a feature (insert something about xkcd 1172). But yeah, it's pretty close
  • grishka 40 minutes ago
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  • Krasnol 3 hours ago
    I'd say enshitification is a good enough word.

    Verschlimmbesserung is not widely used these days in Germany.

    • ahf8Aithaex7Nai 2 hours ago
      I do think it's part of many people's vocabulary. It's a bit informal. And it's not a word you use every day. But it's definitely a word that gets used when the occasion calls for it, just like the related verb "verschlimmbessern."

      "Enshittification" isn't the same thing. "Verschlimmbesserung" is when you try to fix a loose connection in a power cord and then no electricity flows at all, or when you try to fix a bad haircut with a trimmer and the haircut ends up looking even worse, etc.

    • juvvel 1 hour ago
      Of course it is still widely used.
      • icantevenhold 1 hour ago
        Define widely used;

        I probably haven’t used it once in the last 15 years and have heard it maybe twice.

        Source: lifelong German speaker

        • remuskaos 6 minutes ago
          Maybe you're working with the wrong people? It's uncommon among younger people, but I frequently hear craftsmen say it (who are over 50).
        • ahf8Aithaex7Nai 10 minutes ago
          I am even.

          Source: Lifelong Prime

    • looperhacks 1 hour ago
      It's certainly used - not in the top 100, but if the situation calls for it, it's not unexpected.

      There's a big difference between enshitification and "Verschlimmbesserung". The latter has the intent of actually improving things, while the first is making things knowingly worse for profit.

  • levzettelin 2 hours ago
    Just from looking at the title, I feel that this talking about AI in general...