Thoughts on Pope Leo XIV's Magnifica Humanitas

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35 points | by borracciaBlu 1 hour ago

5 comments

  • neves 4 minutes ago
    It blows my mind that the Pope can say more relevant words about AI than American billionaires.
  • insane_dreamer 1 hour ago
    > The direction that AI takes is not written into the technology itself. It depends on our choices, on the institutions that host and underpin that choosing, and on our ability to manage innovation responsibly to serve the common good.

    This is such a key point -- the problem is that the $T that are being poured into AI are doing so for one purpose alone: ROI

    The choice has already been made, and it's the wrong one.

    • Coeur 45 minutes ago
      This is the same position of Yuval Noah Harari in his recent Economist interview: The ones in power (Musk etc.) try to frame the bad AI future as inevitable, instead of shouldering responsibility. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNZhxTtOL-I

      The whole interview is well worth your time.

    • doodlebugging 1 hour ago
      I agree with your summary. Greed has won out over everything else.
      • albeebe1 53 minutes ago
        Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
        • smilespray 28 minutes ago
          You're quoting Wall Street (1987), but it's not clear whether you're in support of the sentiment or not. Plenty of people around here weren't born when that film came out.
        • krapp 51 minutes ago
          Greed is "good" for a few, clearly.
        • LtWorf 29 minutes ago
          There is no such thing as an evolutionary spirit.
        • Terr_ 50 minutes ago
          We must be greedy for justice, greedy for kindness, greedy for people taking responsibility for their actions...
    • hagbard_c 52 minutes ago
      I'd say that the outcome mostly depends on whether something resembling AGI is achieved since that would more or less inevitably end up leading to something resembling ASI ('super-intelligence') which in turn makes it questionable whether the resulting entity can be counted upon to 'serve the common good' - whatever that may be. The quest for ROI has at most a temporary influence on the direction if this path is followed unless it actually keeps AGI (and thus ASI) from being achieved.
      • Loughla 16 minutes ago
        I am afraid that anything created by humans will be, inherently, influenced in its ultimate development by human nature.

        Therefore, whatever AGI looks like will be selfish, violent, and short sighted...

        But our current crop of chatbots are not it. They're just parrots that happen to be pretty bad for the climate.

  • EA-3167 37 minutes ago
    On one hand I appreciate the considerate scholarship on display, and since there are so many Catholics maybe some will even listen to their purported leader. On the other hand I find any talk of greed, selfishness, manipulation and degradation of humanity... really rich coming from a pope. Maybe I'm supposed to forgive, but I'm not going to forget that they spent decades abusing, hiding abuse, trying to force abortion to the margins along with birth control even when HIV became an obvious pandemic. I'm tired of the leader of an organization that owns a whole city preaching poverty to the masses, even if this particular leader has better PR than most.

    Enough people have made these same points without the taint of that organization that I don't see this offering as necessary for the discussion, it mostly seems like a way to insert religion into something that simply doesn't require it. Faith can be a beautiful thing, personal and meaningful, but a giant organization with power and money is always going to be just that and should be treated with according suspicion.

    • AustinDev 28 minutes ago
      > abortion to the margins along with birth control even when HIV became an obvious pandemic.

      How are abortion and birth control at all related to HIV? I don't understand the connection.

      • smilespray 26 minutes ago
        Condoms prevents the spread of HIV.
      • EA-3167 26 minutes ago
        The most common form of male birth control also happens to be the primary recommended means to avoid HIV and other STI's: the condom. Sorry if I was unclear and made it seem like it was improperly related.
        • AustinDev 22 minutes ago
          My bad, I was thinking hormonal.
          • EA-3167 21 minutes ago
            That's completely understandable and probably down to my hasty phrasing!
    • austhrow743 13 minutes ago
      Is the Catholic Church against condoms being used for gay sex? It's my understanding that they're only against them because they're against purely recreational sex. If the sex can't result in a child anyway then I dont think they're going to treat it as a double sin.
      • lmz 1 minute ago
        Restricting the availability of the condoms restricts them for everyone.
      • EA-3167 1 minute ago
        I'm unsure how this relates to my comment, unless you're under the impression that HIV is exclusively spread through "gay sex" as you put. I certainly don't want to make the assumption about you though, given how archaic and bigoted that view is. If you could clarify what you mean I'd appreciate it.
    • anon291 31 minutes ago
      Catholic nuns and religious were some of the first and only to help gay men during the AIDS crisis, so your moral pearl clutching is somewhat hyperbolical. Yes the church has particular moral beliefs you disagree. Join the club.
      • EA-3167 24 minutes ago
        I'm disinterested in their beliefs, only their actions. Their actions overall speak much more loudly of a callous disregard for life (see: HIV in Africa) and the wellbeing of their most helpless charges (children). I'm not damning Catholics here, I'm talking about the central political and financial entity at the heart of it only.
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