12 comments

  • gopalv 44 minutes ago
    The "Emacs doesn't have a file-tree" is when I stopped short and wondered what this person's background is in IDEs.

    My emacs days are 1999 during my "functional or get out" phase, but my .emacs had close to 4000 lines in it, including xterm mouse support, a clone of midnight commander + sftp to a wehbost and deep integration with ctags/cscope/c++filt. There was even a line by line debugger with custom .gdbinit commands - look at the php project's gdbinit[1] if you want an idea of how to walk your own super special data structures.

    You can't put Emacs in an IDE comparison and say anything about features without at least one person saying "well, actually".

    I eventually switched to vim but that had to do with needing to ssh into 100k+ machines on support rotation & never having emacs on any of them.

    [1] - https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/.gdbinit

    • LiamPowell 0 minutes ago
      It also incorrectly says that Emacs has no mouse support. When you first open Emacs the default buffer has clickable links in it, it's impossible to miss the fact that Emacs has mouse support if you ever even open it.
    • mplanchard 6 minutes ago
      Yeah, speedbar and dired are built-in. Speedbar by default still opens in a new frame I think, but in emacs 31 there’s a config option to make it open in a side window without any additional tweaking needed.
    • alecfv26 38 minutes ago
      I’m surprised you wouldn’t use TRAMP for remote access then?
    • cyberax 12 minutes ago
      Sigh.

      Long time ago, in mid-2000-s I tried to switch to Emacs or Vim from Visual Studio.

      I wanted to have a simple project file tree as a side panel and multiple editor tabs on the right. I spent a week toying with various elisp scripts, Vim plugins, and digging out information from a then-moribund XEmacs mailing list.

      And I couldn't do what I wanted in the end. Nothing worked seamlessly or reliably.

      Can this be done out-of-the-box now?

      • mplanchard 3 minutes ago
        Yes, speedbar, with speedbar-prefer-window set to t

        Or use any of the various file tree packages in [M]ELPA

  • jasonjmcghee 40 minutes ago
    First file I look at (concerning):

    "github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/breadcrumbs" "github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/closedialog" "github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/commandpalette" "github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/editor"

  • gkoberger 46 minutes ago
    It's interesting that it brags about no AI as a feature, but the website (and maybe the product itself?) was clearly built using AI.
    • dividedcomet 21 minutes ago
      Yep, I have 2 kids under 1 so this project is either built with AI or it’s not built. I put that line in because the IDE aspect doesn’t need agent management or anything. Other tools are better for that.
      • bigfishrunning 19 minutes ago
        Irish twins! congratulations :)
        • dividedcomet 8 minutes ago
          Thanks so much! Only reason this got posted today is because everyone is home sick
  • kolme 41 minutes ago
    Vim does have mouse support.
    • kccqzy 33 minutes ago
      And so does Emacs. I don’t think this person has really used them.
      • dbalatero 21 minutes ago
        Making these kinds of AI projects with fancy READMEs give you a veneer of authority, but the lack of earned wisdom tends to stick out once a few people glance at it.
        • dividedcomet 19 minutes ago
          Yeah maybe not the best wording. It’s more meant that ideally toast can be fully used with a cursor for interactions. I don’t think you can exit vim or emacs just by clicking on a button?
  • schainks 24 minutes ago
    > toast is for the developer who wants to stay in their terminal without spending hours getting it up to snuff.

    I need a terminal that just works. If it doesn't work out of the box with sensible defaults, it is indeed not up to snuff, and therefore thrown away immediately. Don't ask me to use your buggy-vibe coded thing if it's not up to snuff, right?

    This is coming from someone who did spend hundreds of hours learning to customize their terminal, their vim environment, and put all of it in source control to rot away.

  • dim13 7 minutes ago
    Nerdtree is such a waste of screen real estate. I prefer netrw.
  • nosioptar 7 minutes ago
    In what way is it "beautiful"?

    To me, it's just yet another bland low-contrast dark mode interface.

    Also, vim has mouse support. Probably shouldn't use a clanker to write your readme if you're not going to take the time to do a basic fact check.

    • dividedcomet 3 minutes ago
      That’s just the theme matching the terminal, there are two others out of the box but I prefer the system theme. And by beautiful I mean it has a cohesive system design and theming. I prefer to to another VsCode clone
  • krogenx 23 minutes ago
    Now just add a terminal inside the IDE and we’re gold.
  • OSaMaBiNLoGiN 15 minutes ago
    vim has a built in file tree. You didn't even proof-read your readme.

    Christ.

    • dividedcomet 12 minutes ago
      Poor wording, more so meant that when I drop into vim, vi, or emacs I have no way to (without some external knowledge) know how to open a file tree. Just a barrier to usage is all.
  • colesantiago 43 minutes ago
    > "No AI features"

    > Sees "Claude"

    Now almost 90% of projects on GitHub including existing projects are now slop or are adding slop.

    Many projects are getting contaminated with AI, and even Linux is getting contaminated with this.

    There is a list of projects that have non-slop alternatives one can use instead.

    https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware

    • jjice 39 minutes ago
      Do you count any use of LLMs, including highly reviewed and controlled use as "slop"?

      The idea that there can be no high quality use of LLMs to aid software development is lacking a lot of nuance.

      • aniviacat 31 minutes ago
        The files (even the go.mod) contain references to "yourusername". You can be certain this project's LLM use was not highly reviewed and controlled.
      • delis-thumbs-7e 27 minutes ago
        If it is high quality use, we would not notice the AI. It would just be good code.
      • colesantiago 26 minutes ago
        > Do you count any use of LLMs, including highly reviewed and controlled use as "slop"?

        Yes.

        To quote the repository:

        "slop: Anything generated by AI, typically code, books, articles, or images."

    • cnqso 6 minutes ago
      Good luck!
    • dividedcomet 23 minutes ago
      I mean yeah, I have 2 kids under 1. So I wasn’t gonna spend the 100+ hours doing it all by hand. The project either gets made using AI or not at all.
    • Philpax 30 minutes ago
      I wish you luck on your quest to avoid all of the software on that list.
  • CamperBob2 48 minutes ago
    Looks like another unreadable black hole of nothingness. God, I wish this trend would hurry up and run its course.
    • rschiavone 40 minutes ago
      Unfortunately the trend is only accelerating
    • dividedcomet 47 minutes ago
      there are other themes, the one shown is just extending my terminal theme so it doesn’t feel out of place.
    • spiderice 46 minutes ago
      Ironically, I understand what the "unreadable black hole of nothingness" is perfectly. But I have no idea what your comment means.
      • 0gs 39 minutes ago
        hard to argue that the UBHON is a recurring theme these days! rimshot