Novellas with Groff

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41 points | by dverlaeckt80 2 hours ago

7 comments

  • tmoertel 37 minutes ago
    I think it’s fascinating to see all the different ways that techfolk who write fiction set up their writing pipelines. Some people go with a bare-bones coding editor like Vim; others use “pro” tools Scrivener. And then there’s the typesetting pipeline. Using troff is pretty out there.

    When I started writing fiction, here’s what I came up with. I write in Google Docs because it’s lightweight, works everywhere, and can easily export to Markdown format. From there, I manage the Markdown source in Git and Emacs. For typesetting—I cannot abide crappy word-processor output—I used to use Pandoc to generate LaTeX markup and run LuaLaTeX to produce PDFs. But that took several seconds. Now, I use Typst to go straight from Markdown to PDF files. It’s pretty much instant.

    If you want to see what the output looks like, here’s the first chapter of my current project:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wl4k_rdYGFZp-r5nq864r5CNzD1...

    (Notice: This is a typesetting sample, not a writing sample. It’s my W40k-adjacent fanfic, so you have been warned.)

    It’s set in 12pt Erewhon, which is an enhanced version of Andrey V. Panov’s Heuristica font family, which extends Robert Slimbach’s Utopia font family. Slimbach is a sublime type designer—he created Minion—and Utopia is one of his early works that is especially spirited.

    • pmdr 16 minutes ago
      > techfolk who write fiction set up their writing pipelines

      And perhaps infinitely procrastinating on the actual writing itself...

      • tmoertel 10 minutes ago
        Indeed. One irresistible temptation for coders who go into writing is to bikeshed their pipeline. I know I have spent many hours tweaking my writing pipeline when I should have been writing. I mean, why just write when you can create a Containerfile to build a hermetically sealed image that houses your typesetting system and a dozen carefully chosen fonts, and then you can write scripts managed by a Makefile to launch containers from the image and inject into them your source text and extract from them the typeset PDFs? I mean, surely all of that is essential work on the critical path to getting your writing done. Right?
    • sloum 32 minutes ago
      Agreed, it seems writers that also code have all kinds of different workflows. I end up using (x)html and doing print stylesheets and rendering pdf for print using weasyprint (works really well, and they have sample stylesheets on their website that are a good starting point).

      I like Erewhon. Nice font.

  • dofm 1 hour ago
    I typeset some university work in troff in 1994. The professor I submitted it to was impressed but questioned my sanity in front of half of the class. Not wrong to do so.

    Might still have the source code to that work somewhere. And it probably still parses.

    Can't remember why I did it but on reflection it might simply have been that LaTeX was not going to fit on my extremely space-constrained Linux machine.

  • armcat 28 minutes ago
    Game of Thrones author George RR Martin writes all his novels on an old MS-DOS machine, not connected to the internet, and he uses WordStar 4.0. [1]

    [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27407502

    • tmoertel 20 minutes ago
      One thing I have noticed about S-tier writers is that most of them have an established routine and stick to it. Why risk breaking something that works? With an established routine, you settle into it, and muscle memory puts you into writing mode. Start mucking with the routine, and that is how you get writer’s block.
      • howunfortunate 9 minutes ago
        You're right, but I feel compelled to point out the irony of this comment being re: GRRM, the world's most famous case of writer's block.
  • helterskelter2 23 minutes ago
    IIRC the Go book by Donovan and Kernighan was also written in groff.
  • delusional 8 minutes ago
    At my dayjob, our legacy customer communication generation (for letters and such) has a runoff syntax. It's z/os, so not groff, but something of that lineage. People are still working with those documents to this day, generating millions of them a year. They all look at me funny when I identify it as runoff, everybody else thinks it's something custom in-house.
  • jmclnx 1 hour ago
    FWIW, to use ^H for bold print, set this:

        export GROFF_NO_SGR="Y"
    
    or

        setenv GROFF_NO_SGR "Y"
    
    depending upon your shell. Useful for old printers like I have :)
  • TeaVMFan 1 hour ago
    I applaud all human-based writing tools. 10 days for 40k words is very impressive!

    I suspect many people will prefer HTML for markup. That's why I built EPublish, which is related but for an HTML -> EPub workflow:

    https://frequal.com/epublish/

    • pasc1878 1 minute ago
      Isn't the HTML->ePub workflow called zip?