Five memorable books about programming (2008)

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67 points | by andsoitis 5 hours ago

15 comments

  • rbanffy 41 minutes ago
    For me, the blue Smalltalk book by Adele Goldberg was deeply formative. It was computing done right and from first principles.

    The other two formative experiences for me were using Cincom’s Mantis on the 3278 and Dataflex 2. Both made it obvious how quickly one could go from screen to persisted data, CRUD, application logic, and reporting with the right level of abstraction. Much later I described Dataflex as “Rails for the VT100”. Sadly, Cincom will not provide a hobby license to run it on an emulated 4381, and won’t even give away free manuals, and the company behind Dataflex (I don’t remember their name right now) seems to not even have any versions from that time. When I read Paul Graham’s Beating the Averages, it all clicked perfectly.

  • jrmg 1 hour ago
    Programmers at work: I bought a used copy of it - probably after reading this the first time it was posted. Great book, if you can find it.

    Code, by Charles Petzold should be on any programmer’s list - and the list of anyone with curiosity about how the modern world works. It somehow manages the amazing trick of being readable for the novice, but also containing nuggets of insight for the expert all at the same time. Such a well written book.

    • hcs 6 minutes ago
      Programmers at Work has a new edition, so might be easier to find now! https://www.programmersatwork.net/the-book

      Agreed that Code is great! I'll pick up the second edition some day if I ever see it on a bookshelf.

    • rbanffy 49 minutes ago
      If, for nothing else, Programmers At Work has Bill Gates talking about dumpster diving for program listings.

      The book is great - I love how Gary (IIRC) describes the centrality of data structures and how code kind of emerges from there.

    • so-cal-schemer 56 minutes ago
      Code and Elements of Computing Systems are two of the most recommended books (top 20) on HN according to a now defunct scraping site.

      The Elements of Computing Systems: Building a Modern Computer from First Principles

      by Noam Nisan and Shimon Schocken

      https://openlibrary.org/works/OL21015000W/Elements_of_Comput...

  • pan69 2 hours ago
    > The majority of the book was about detailed optimization for the 8088 and 8086, yet it was published when the 80486 was showing up in high-end desktop PCs.

    The book goes all the way up to discussing the 386. It's just that the foundations is rooted in 8086, which is a large chunk of the book.

    My favorite books (or the ones I have spend most time with) and that have been most formative for me are:

    Mastering Turbo Assembler by Tom Swan

    Zen of Graphics Programming by Michael Abrash

    The Zen Of Assembly Language by Michael Abrash

    Programmer's Guide to the EGA, VGA, and Super VGA Cards by Richard F. Ferraro

    The Indispensable PC Hardware Book by Hans-Peter Messmer

  • so-cal-schemer 2 hours ago
    How about Higher-Order Perl by Mark Jason Dominus?

    https://hop.perl.plover.com/

    Some other great low flying titles:

    The Computational Beauty of Nature by Gary William Flake

    https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262561273/the-computational-bea...

    The Nature of Computation by Cristopher Moore and Stephan Mertens.

    https://nature-of-computation.org/

    Algorithms by S. Dasgupta, C.H. Papadimitriou, and U.V. Vazirani

    https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~dasgupta/book/index.html

    and On Lisp, of course:

    https://www.paulgraham.com/onlisp.html

    • a-tk 2 hours ago
      I would also recommend Higher Order Perl. I went through it this summer after a recommendation. I don't know Perl, and found it was more focused on practical functional programming techniques, and provides creative and interesting justification for its topics, which can be rewritten in other languages too. Great book.
  • dang 3 hours ago
    Related. Others?

    Five Memorable Books About Programming - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3917165 - May 2012 (1 comment)

    Five Memorable Books About Programming - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=128054 - March 2008 (14 comments)

    • so-cal-schemer 3 hours ago
      Expert C Programming by Peter van der Linden comes up a lot in these discussions. One of my favorites.
  • JKCalhoun 3 hours ago
    “This is also one of the most bizarrely delayed technical book releases I can recall. The majority of the book was about detailed optimization for the 8088 and 8086…”

    I’m starting work on the (tentatively titled) “The Second Book of KIM.”

  • so-cal-schemer 3 hours ago
    These are great books. I was going to suggest Zen of Assembly Language and Leo Brodie's books for this list from last month:

    Show HN: The rarest tech books and docs you've probably never read(https://readrare.com/)

    191 points|miletus|29 days ago|67 comments

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50024055

  • Flow 3 hours ago
    My favorite two computer books are “Starting Forth” and “Let over Lambda”. It’s something about the language and the approach I like.
  • pluc 2 hours ago
    Who reads programming books anymore? People don't even read code
    • so-cal-schemer 5 minutes ago
      I still think the return-on-time from a good book is greater than a lecture or video or discussion. There is just so much refinement and information density, plus the ability to skip around to find interesting content is hard to match. (there is also something to be said for reinforcement of memory via spatial awareness while reading a physical book that is lost on a screen).

      An interactive portal to a digital book could rival or surpass the experience, but I haven't encountered that yet.

    • adamddev1 1 hour ago
      The people who build all the solid, crucial parts of the infrastructure and tools that the vibe coders depend on. People who are pushing forward with new ideas. People who are building solid, snappy, delightful software. People who take joy in understanding the logic and creating solid, novel abstractions.

      It is such a big category error to say "we're building simple apps without looking at code, therefore no one reads code anymore."

      I'm not sure if this comment is meant as a little joke or observation, but I keep on seeing serious comments like this. It is serious anti-intellectualism to scoff at people reading programming books or understanding things.

      • perrygeo 51 minutes ago
        > People who are pushing forward with no ideas.

        s/no/new ideas?

        The people pushing forward with no ideas are likely not reading much either.

        • adamddev1 43 minutes ago
          That was a typo - I meant new ideas
          • perrygeo 18 minutes ago
            Got it. Yeah, everything we'd consider "new ideas" demands, at the very minimum, a strident curiosity about how things currently work. Those people tend to read. A lot.
        • so-cal-schemer 44 minutes ago
          Perhaps he was thinking of vibe coders.

          s/ideas/understanding/

          a glitch in the dialogue

  • srean 4 hours ago
    Rarely have I felt the urge to fly out of my building and grab any random guy on the street and exclaim can you see how cool this is, can you please.

    That happened to me when I read The Little Schemer.

    https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262560993/the-little-schemer/

    (The other time was when I saw a Hasui)

    https://ukiyo-e.org/artist/kawase-hasui

  • milofeynman 25 minutes ago
    The only technical book I own is Designing Data-Intensive Applications and I think everyone should read the first part of it.

    I prefer learning as I go and have never enjoyed technical books, but I think everything is basically a database and understanding those fundamentals is very helpful.

  • jdw64 3 hours ago
    Software Design for Flexibility (2021) This book left the deepest impression on me. I was fascinated by the concept of additive programming. Personally, I spent a good while thinking about and studying the idea of "evolvability." True, the overuse of flexibility can obscure control flow, and opinions on the book are divided but I learned many concepts from it. Since I often work on maintaining and modifying legacy code, this book was a great help.
  • so-cal-schemer 2 hours ago
    Another on my reading list:

    The Art of the Metaobject Protocol by Gregor Kiczales et al

    https://openlibrary.org/works/OL4088774W/The_art_of_the_meta...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Metaobject_Prot...

  • riskd 1 hour ago
    The only